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Becoming The Archetype - The Physics of Fire



Average User Rating: 8.75 out of 10
Total votes: 12 (Click here to vote)
Total comments: 36

[B]Tracks[/B]
1. Epoch of War
2. Immolation
3. Autopsy
4. The Great Fall
5. Nocturne (instrumental)
6. The Monolith
7. Construct and Collapse
8. Endure
9. Fire Made Flest
10. Second Death
11. The Balance of Eternity


Posted on 01-24-2008 by ice_wiz
I'm pretty much with deafmutt on this one.

The CD was no where near where Terminate Damnation was. The clean vox were great considering all of the emo singing in metal these days. But the solos all sounded the same and all went the same speed in the same neck pickup tone, but like everyone said the rhythm was superb. If they change the solos and and add more range in the screaming and keep getting more proggressive the next album should be better.

Posted on 01-25-2008 by DreamersImperia
[QUOTE=ice_wiz;3154327]The CD was no where near where Terminate Damnation was. The clean vox were great considering all of the emo singing in metal these days. But the solos all sounded the same and all went the same speed in the same neck pickup tone, but like everyone said the rhythm was superb. If they change the solos and and add more range in the screaming and keep getting more proggressive the next album should be better.[/QUOTE]


I totally agree here. :P

This cd in no way can match up to what BTA unleashed with their debut. And I've got another thing to add to the strikes against the cd... I don't know if you all have either noticed and didn't say anything, or just flat-out didn't notice, but this cd has like NO BASS! It literally hurts my hears to listen to it because the guitars have no depth to them. You can't hear Jason's playing at all with the exception of a few places throughout the cd. Listen to a song from TD then switch to a song from this cd, you'll see (hear) a huge difference in the tone of the guitars. It's almost like they forgot to put the bass in the final mix.

And the vocals--There's absolutely no depth to Jason's voice, as was mentioned earlier. And Alex... he just didn't have a very good impression on me.

Solos--I didn't mind the solos, but they do get repetitive after a while. TD's solos were far better, ESPECIALLY the solos for The Epigone and Ex Nihilo.

The lyrics are great, especially the Epilogue in the final minutes of The Balance Of Eternity, and this is perhaps the only sure-fire plus that this cd has in my opinion.

So call me a hater or a nonconformist, but I gave this one a 6.

But even though I don't like this cd anywhere NEAR as much at TD, I still listen to it from time to time, because afterall, BTA is still my next favorite metal band under Haste The Day.

Posted on 02-08-2008 by Mistidon
Actually, talkng to Alex on the official BTA forums, thats exactly what happened, the low mid got dropped out of the mix for some reason, so that's my biggest complaint against the album. That and Wisdom's repititous vocals compared to his awesome variety on TD. Another interesting thing Seth mentioned, is that he wrote most of the solos, and Alex played them so *shrug* I enjoyed them, but I can see where they do sound kind of similar. One thing I think gets looked over alot, is Duck's drumming on this one, which I think is some of the best drumming I have heard on a metal album to date. He is really solid, and throws some awesome grooves in there, with enough fills to make it interesting, but not overwhelmingly so. He also rarely falls back on the repetitive blast beats so many bands are spamming these days. I enjoyed the clean vox a lot as well, I thought they were very tastefully done, Second Death comes to mind especially. I really really liked the lyrics and the keys, and I can't wait what they do with the next album now that Alex and Seth are more used to working together!

Posted on 06-05-2007 by earlessdog
i am still going to give this more listening before i say anything more, i don't want to give a review then change my mind

Posted on 06-05-2007 by DKelly
Well, I'll give a review then! :D


Easy 10 out of 10 from me. Amazing CD from the boys. However, there are some definite differences from the last album.

This album is much more progressive and artistic than the last one(there are quite a few piano/synth/strings sections in the songs). The lead vocalist has wandered away from the extremely low growls on the last album. Also, there are also some clean vocals as well.

Even if this sounds like the band is taking a step backward, they're not. Instead, they're taking a huge step forward. The clean vocals fit the songs perfectly, the music has gotten even more pure metal, and the solos have become more technical and now are set up in much more extended sections than on the last album. The music also has gotten much more complex, especially the drum work and the guitar riffs. The lyrics have also improved as well, with four songs telling a story. The band doesn't play as many instrumentals this time around, but the one instrumental that is played is as good as any of the ones on the last album.

Overall, this is a very strong metal album, with strong musical performances from every band member. I'd recommend this to fans of [i]Terminate Damnation[/i] in a heartbeat. The band may have made some changes to their style, but in the end, they were made for the better.

Posted on 06-06-2007 by earlessdog
I'm still not ready to give a review, but it won't be getting a 10 from me, maybe an 8 possibly 9.

Posted on 06-23-2007 by schecter777
i've heard "Autopsy," "Immolation," "Epoch of War," and "Endure," as well as clips of all the others. From what I've heard, this is a big step forward for BTA.

Posted on 06-27-2007 by akaukal
Am I totally weird? I didn't enjoy Terminate Damnation at all, but I find this album almost incredible. 9 for me. I absolutely love Autopsy.

Posted on 06-28-2007 by Adam K
Incredible 10. There are differences from the last album, but none in quality.

Posted on 07-01-2007 by earlessdog
either 8 or 9
This album is too perfect, it seemed they were too worried about it sounding perfect that they forgot to make it real underground metal. its over produced.

the songs aren't out of the ordinary from each other

the solos suck, they are no doubt amazing, but they are too similar and they
have a terrible tone for everyone.

Clean vocals ruin most songs, i have given this a lot of thought and listening, i like the cleans in Immolation, but it completely ruins the rest of them.

no more real low growls

Its just doesn't stand out, like TD does. Td has very individaul songs, it seems rougher and more real.

So, in my opinion, it doesn't meet Terminate Damnation

at the same time, easily my favorite metal band, and the most amazing metal band. but TPOF seems too much like any other metal album, they are lucky they still have TD, thats a groundbreaker
But i mean, it is still way better than most all other metal albums.

i'll edit this more for a better review, i voted 9 (more like 8.5)

Posted on 07-07-2007 by earlessdog
plus the vocals are definetly limited on this one, I mean like no low growls, it mostly seems to all be the same pitch.

Posted on 08-30-2007 by earlessdog
still havn't voted

Posted on 09-09-2007 by Mr. claw
8....7.75...somewhere in there...

Vocals = Excellent. One of the best out there.

Clean vocals = Shoot me please.

Drums = Excellent. (No, DKelly, he's not better than Greiner, he just pumps his double bass really fast. :P )

Guitar = I love the rythym sections.

Guitar Solos = I hate every one. The guitarist is all, "im speed pickz!11!!". The solos on AILD's new cd are far more creative and diverse. The solos on the cd really take away from the experience for me.

The songs don't sound the same...but all of the solos within them do. Bah.

Judging from that, should I still get Terminate Damnation?

Posted on 09-09-2007 by earlessdog
[QUOTE=Mr. claw;3035907]8....7.75...somewhere in there...

Vocals = Excellent. One of the best out there.

Clean vocals = Shoot me please.

Drums = Excellent. (No, DKelly, he's not better than Greiner, he just pumps his double bass really fast. :P )

Guitar = I love the rythym sections.

Guitar Solos = I hate every one. The guitarist is all, "im speed pickz!11!!". The solos on AILD's new cd are far more creative and diverse. The solos on the cd really take away from the experience for me.

The songs don't sound the same...but all of the solos within them do. Bah.

Judging from that, should I still get Terminate Damnation?[/QUOTE]

interesting, and i am with you on the solos thing. The solos all sound similar, for every one, its the same thing, slow down the temp and its all the same fast soloing, in a cleanish tone. Hes an amazing guitarist, but it gets old.

And, yes, you should still get Terminate Damnation, easily one of my favorite metal albums of all time.
TD is original, they had a diff lead gutiarist, so the solos he odes (not as many) are WAY different. They are unique, aggressive, original.
TD is so versatile, they have a classical song, a balladish song (Elegy) thats in like 4 parts, and to me, that album is way better. The songs are more different from each other, the vocal has a WAY wider range.

So i definetly suggest you get TD, i think you'll love it a lot more. Its an amazing cd. Its not trying to be so 'perfect' whcih sometimes i feel like TPOF tried to do. I dunno.

Posted on 09-10-2007 by DKelly
[QUOTE=Mr. claw;3035907]Drums = Excellent. (No, DKelly, he's not better than Greiner, he just pumps his double bass really fast. :P )[/QUOTE]

It's not that his playing style is so complex and hard to play as it is that he(especially on [i]Terminate Damnation[/i]) performs so many unique minor rhythms in addition to the main one. At least that's what I heard, maybe I'm wrong. But, to me, he seems just as complex and talented(if not more) than Matt Greiner, just in a different way.

Posted on 09-10-2007 by Mr. claw
I would almost be willing to call them equals. Though, in my opinion, as a drummer (I'm not that good, but I know what's hard), I would say moving the hands is harder than pumping the double bass. Greiner uses his hands more, from what I've heard.

But I don't have TD, so I'll wait and see...Duck is pretty crazy.

Posted on 09-11-2007 by normajean777
Its just too bad they didn't have any really deep growls on this. I've been listening to like Despised Icon and Job for a Cowboy, and am like 'man I wish BTA was this hard'.

Posted on 09-11-2007 by Mr. claw
I think JFAC is overkill in the vocal category.

Posted on 09-13-2007 by normajean777
You don't like them? Too soft?

Posted on 09-14-2007 by akaukal
I actually didn't vote on this one. Hmm, i thought I did..

Well, I'm voting a 10. I've been constantly spinning this disc repeatedly and it's incredible. While everyone else seems to hate them, I love the clean vocals. I think they compliment the screams perfectly.

I can agree on the part about the solos, however, I do love the dual guitar harmonies. And I especially love the more progressive style of the album.

Overall, I love every song. Top notch songwriting, excellent vocals and musicianship, easy 10.

Posted on 09-14-2007 by akaukal
Oh, and JFAC is easily the most overrated metal/whatever the hell it's called these days band out there right now. It just seems like they're trying to just be heavy and sludgy and not actually make decent music in the process.

Posted on 09-14-2007 by normajean777
Well either way JFAC is still pretty good (I think their not overrated because they're still largely NOT on the radar). But Despised Icon is much better than them. I really love those deep growls and the fast drumming (lol like noone else beats their drums fast).

Posted on 09-22-2007 by Mr. claw
I forgot about the lyrics.

I love the lyrics.

Yay.

Posted on 09-22-2007 by earlessdog
[QUOTE=akaukal;3040384]I actually didn't vote on this one. Hmm, i thought I did..

[/QUOTE]

you probably did.
I was positive I did, in one of my earlier posts i stated that i voted 9 (8.5) and i remember voting. Now it says i havn't voted, so i think something got messed up.
So now, i'll have to rethink what i'll vote, i've been given a second chance ;)
Probably still 9

Posted on 09-22-2007 by conceived in fire
At first I didn't like what I heard (I really didn't like anything from their other album besides "Elegy" and that's probably just cause Ryan Clark is in it)
But listening to a couple songs again, it's fairly good. Can't vote cause I haven't gotten the whole CD yet.
[QUOTE=Mr. claw;3036561]Though, in my opinion, as a drummer (I'm not that good, but I know what's hard), I would say moving the hands is harder than pumping the double bass. Greiner uses his hands more, from what I've heard.
[/QUOTE]
From what I've heard from drummers I know, that's very likely

Posted on 09-30-2007 by BillSPrestonEsq
I liked it far better than TD. While some of you whine about the clean vocals, I thought what was there added to the musical depth. Hard is relative to soft, thus the counterpoint added a great deal of contrast and color to the music. I thought this was a major maturation for an excellent band.

I thought this was a far more unique offering than TD. TD lost something with all the same vocal styling. I don't think they lost anything really, just gained new tools.

Posted on 09-30-2007 by Mr. claw
The cleans were just too stark of a contrast to the screaming for me. There are a few songs where they don't bother me, but I could do without them altogether.

And the solos...There was nothing unique about the solos. Ugh.

Posted on 09-30-2007 by earlessdog
[QUOTE=BillSPrestonEsq;3055796]I liked it far better than TD. While some of you whine about the clean vocals, I thought what was there added to the musical depth. Hard is relative to soft, thus the counterpoint added a great deal of contrast and color to the music. I thought this was a major maturation for an excellent band.

I thought this was a far more unique offering than TD. TD lost something with all the same vocal styling. I don't think they lost anything really, just gained new tools.[/QUOTE]

i know you're a [B]lot[/B] older than me ( ;) ) and have listened to a lot more music than me, but i honestly don't see how you can say TPOF was more unique, TD was far more original and unique, not that the TPOF sucked or anything, i still listen to it a lot, but its not as unique and 'out there'

Posted on 09-30-2007 by BillSPrestonEsq
[QUOTE=earlessdog;3055973]i know you're a [B]lot[/B] older than me ( ;) ) and have listened to a lot more music than me, but i honestly don't see how you can say TPOF was more unique, TD was far more original and unique, not that the TPOF sucked or anything, i still listen to it a lot, but its not as unique and 'out there'[/QUOTE]

TD had several very familiar vibes to me. Society's Finest used to sound a fair amount like it. In fact they were the first band that came to mind when I heard TD. I also am familiar with a dozen small bands that had a similar sound. TPOF, I would be hard pressed to find something that quite sounded like it. On TD, the monotony of the vocals seemed to me to be a problem. They ended up losing impact if the album was listened to as a whole.

I found the harsh contrasts to fit BTA style of music better. Beauty and harmony and harshness all rolled together.

Posted on 09-30-2007 by earlessdog
[QUOTE=BillSPrestonEsq;3055986]TD had several very familiar vibes to me. Society's Finest used to sound a fair amount like it. In fact they were the first band that came to mind when I heard TD. I also am familiar with a dozen small bands that had a similar sound. TPOF, I would be hard pressed to find something that quite sounded like it. On TD, the monotony of the vocals seemed to me to be a problem. They ended up losing impact if the album was listened to as a whole.

I found the harsh contrasts to fit BTA style of music better. Beauty and harmony and harshness all rolled together.[/QUOTE]

Ok man, I still differ, but its all our own opinions i guess. And since i don't listen to Society's Finest much, maybe TD is easier listening, cause i don't listen to a lot of stuff like it. But TPOF seems like i've heard it before, i can't specifally pin a band, but it doens't seem out of the ordinary.

Posted on 10-01-2007 by DKelly
[QUOTE=earlessdog;3055973]i know you're a [B]lot[/B] older than me ( ;) ) and have listened to a lot more music than me, but i honestly don't see how you can say TPOF was more unique, TD was far more original and unique, not that the TPOF sucked or anything, i still listen to it a lot, but its not as unique and 'out there'[/QUOTE]


My friend and I both agree that there are a few similarities musically and instrumentally between [i]Terminate Damnation[/i] and some old In Flames songs.

As of yet, I have not found a band out there that is at all similar to the sound on [i]The Physics of Fire[/i].

Posted on 10-01-2007 by normajean777
The Physics of Fire is pretty bland though. The vocals all sound the same. There is no change is the emotion of the growls. TD holds so much more with different tones of growls and shouts and such. So its like we have a very plain growl (found in every other song on the album), and then mixed with clean vocals that shouldn't be. I liked it at first as I like most new stuff I hear right away, but it just doesn't stick as something I want to listen to.

TD was just amazing and I'd still listen to that any day (except for the Eulogy which I really don't like listening to slow music for like 6 minutes, unless its Opeth).

Posted on 10-02-2007 by KaiserZr
I love their new cd...true I prefer the screaming from the first cd, but I did like the clean vocals in the new one. The drums were better and so was just the rhythm of the music...As for solos...come on the first cd had bluesy solo on track 6 (that surprisingly flowed very well) in their which I still love to listen to... but most of the solos were still good.

I gave it a 9/10

Posted on 10-02-2007 by earlessdog
[QUOTE=DKelly;3056200]My friend and I both agree that there are a few similarities musically and instrumentally between [i]Terminate Damnation[/i] and some old In Flames songs.

As of yet, I have not found a band out there that is at all similar to the sound on [i]The Physics of Fire[/i].[/QUOTE]

i disagree, i have heard so much more metal that i would say sounds like TPOF than TD. Once again, myself, but TPOF is a lot more just straight metal, nothing different about it.

Posted on 10-05-2007 by earlessdog
Ok, in the last few days, i've practically gotten BTA overdose. I've been listening to both albums back to back to make a 'final' decision of what i think.
I deleted my last review, and this will be my new and hopefully final one.

I'll attack the vocals first: The general scream/growl gets almsot boring, there is no variety in vocals like there was in TD. Its all the same pitch, nearly.
And the clean vocals. I dont' moan about them anymore, though I still would have preferred none, and I still think it ruins more songs than it makes. Not that the style of them sucks, i think its great that they are doing something different, but the vibrato gets annoying, and they just don't fit usually.

Secondly, the lead guitar: I am still not impressed with originality on lead. Sure, its insane fast, but its the same thing over and over again throughout the CD. That same gradual, wannabe dramatic, lightning fast solos, with a terrible tone. you can barely tell the difference between the solos, and half of the time the temp is slowed down to 0 when the solos come.

Honestly, the songs aren't [I]that[/I] different from each other, its not repetative, but, its just "safe" from beginning to end.

But, the rythm is definetly top notch, awesome stuff.

Lyrics are awesome.

With that being said, it doesn't live up to TD in several ways (for me) but its still an album far out of the league of nearly every other metal band i've heard. Its obviously incredible stuff with a lot of talent, and this is one of the greatest metal bands i've heard.
But, just not as good as TD.
Maybe I'm just not happy with the arrival of Alex, I liked the old guitarist's style a lot more.

So, once again, it may seem like i'm making this cd sound terrible, i'm just comparing it to their previous, this album alone is far better than almsot everything i've heard, though ireally don't like the lead.

So, FINALLY, I have decided to vote on it.
I vote 9.

Posted on 10-05-2007 by Mr. claw
[QUOTE=earlessdog;3060574]
Secondly, the lead guitar: I am still not impressed with originality on lead. Sure, its insane fast, but its the same thing over and over again throughout the CD. That same gradual, wannabe dramatic, lightning fast solos, with a terrible tone. you can barely tell the difference between the solos, and half of the time the temp is slowed down to 0 when the solos come.
[/QUOTE]

I seriously can only listen to like, 3 songs off this cd because I can't tolerate the solos in all of the others.

Outside of the solos, this is a better album than TD. But...there lies the problem.

On another note, I don't really mind that he didn't growl/shriek on this cd. It wasn't [i]bad[/i] on TD, but it really wasn't that great, especially the growling. I've heard way better in the low pitched category.


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