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Skillet-Comatose



Average User Rating: 9.02 out of 10
Total votes: 57 (Click here to vote)
Total comments: 90

[B]Tracks[/B]
1. Rebirthing
2. The Last Night
3. Yours To Hold
4. Better Than Drugs
5. Comatose
6. The Older I Get
7. Those Nights
8. Falling Inside The Black
9. Say Goodbye
10. Whispers
11. Looking For Angels


Posted on 01-20-2009 by TFK_RAWKS!
hmmm....i don't agree with some of you people....Comatose is WAY more musically sound than Collide....yes Collide was a more "intense" album....but it didn't have the flow....musically....like Comatose does....although both albums are fantastic....but Comatose is the better album "skill-wise" if you will....although if you like harder stuff....Collide is better....idk.....it's personal preference....they are both great though..... :)

Posted on 01-21-2009 by mYdEePeStDrEaM
Those Nights was not Punk. It was like Pop. MxPx and Take It Back! are punk bands.

Posted on 03-08-2007 by conceived in fire
I gave it a 9. Less generic and filler than [I]Collide[/I], and probably the most diverse sounding album they've made (although I only have the last three). Also the first guitar solos and Korey singing again. But I would have preferred more heavy songs, and the chorus of "Better Than Drugs" is somewhat of a cliche.

I definitely heard the pop-punk in "Those Nights", the opening riff, "oh oh"s and piano in the verse all sound like modern Relient K.

Posted on 05-13-2007 by Oh!Gravity
I gave it a 10. Very good array of different things. The orchestral sounds from Rebirthing and Comatose, the pop rock of Those Nights, the ballads (Older I Get, Yours to Hold, Say Goodbye) are good, but I don't like Say Goodbye that much so if I could take back my vote, I'd probably give it a 9. Whispers, The Last Night, and Falling Inside the Black are also good. I do agree that the Better than Drugs chorus is a cliche, but it's a good song overall.

Posted on 05-14-2007 by facethemusic
[QUOTE=conceived in fire;2828496]I gave it a 9. Less generic and filler than [I]Collide[/I], and probably the most diverse sounding album they've made (although I only have the last three). Also the first guitar solos and Korey singing again. But I would have preferred more heavy songs, and [B]the chorus of "Better Than Drugs" is somewhat of a cliche.[/B]
I definitely heard the pop-punk in "Those Nights", the opening riff, "oh oh"s and piano in the verse all sound like modern Relient K.[/QUOTE]

10 all the way. I agree that the chorus of Better than Drugs is a major cliche, but it's a well-used cliche. Especially if you gave that song to someone who had actually been using drugs and were considering becoming a Christian, it'd be a great way to reach out to them.

I gave this album a 10 becuase nearly every song on that CD touched a part of my life. Especially Those Nights and Say Goodbye. If you combine those two you've got my relationship with my best friend.

Posted on 05-14-2007 by Sean
There are other songs which tell God He's better than drugs?

Posted on 05-14-2007 by Adam K
[QUOTE=Sean;2916820]There are other songs which tell God He's better than drugs?[/QUOTE]

I think he meant cliche as in it's used alot in modern youth ministry.

Posted on 05-16-2008 by Davomann
i think this is a good album but it doesnt touch collide or alien youth. I loved this album insanely for a little while and then started listening to their older stuff again and realised that Comatose is overall pretty generic. It seems like whatever new major label has just picked them up has wanted them to pump out a new album of catchy sounding songs and the CD sounds really Manufactured. its sorta like what Pillar have done with For The Love Of The Game and even TFK with the Flame in All of Us. Looking at the booklet, a lot of the songs (music and lyrics) werent even written fully by skillet. I have to say though, Rebirthing is epic and i really like Whispers and Falling inside the Black. The string lines are great too. I think the most obvious industrial elements of the album are in Falling inside The Black and Those nights does have an almost-pop-punk feel to it, in fact the whole album sounds sorta heavy-pop to me. Probably why i dont like it as much as their 2 previous albums

Posted on 05-16-2010 by Darkhyperchaos
9/10. Another great Skillet album! I was a little worried that it wouldn't be as good as Collide, but it's just as good, if not a hair better. I would have liked some occasional screaming thrown in, but it's still and excellent album.

Posted on 05-17-2008 by Oh!Gravity
I disagree and I absolutely love this album, but maybe that's because I'm not really a heavy music guy.

Posted on 05-18-2008 by conceived in fire
Way better than the generic Collide and inconsistent Alien Youth.

Posted on 05-22-2008 by Te eF Kay
Awesome album!
Just got the Deluxe Edition yesterday and so far my favourites are Rebirthing, Last Night and Live Free or Let Me Die.
Skillet is really good at tackling the deep issues......apart from the fact that they're named after a type of frying pan.

Posted on 06-24-2007 by Rock 'n Christ
i liked Rebirthing( actually played it at my recital :D )Falling Inside the Black, and Whispers in the Dark( i can play all of these except for the insane solo in Whispers..), and i like Comatose( the song), but not as much as the others. i agree with what basically everyone else has said, its not as gritty or intense as Collide, and Collide and more "Hit" singles IMHO.

Posted on 07-16-2007 by schecter777
My favorite Skillet CD (the oldest I go back is Alien Youth). Top songs are "Whispers In The Dark," "Rebirthing," "Comatose."

Posted on 07-27-2007 by Gandralph
I love this album. Every song is pretty good. I gave it a 10. The song "The last night" is really good....along with alot of others. After i saw them live i bought their cd.

Posted on 09-04-2007 by livingalive626
I think Comatose is the best christian rock album ever.....

Posted on 09-06-2011 by christrocker00
9 out of 10

Posted on 09-06-2011 by christrocker00
[QUOTE="RedSkittle"]Love this album to death! Got some history with that Last Night song. I can't remember when I first heard it but I was at a place in my life where I longed for someone like the guy in the song. A few years later...I found Him and He's Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ![/QUOTE]

Amen brother it's great is it not?? God is good!!!!!!!! :)

Posted on 10-02-2007 by KaiserZr
I gave this album a 6....which pains me since Skillet is one of my favorite bands...

Favorite songs: Falling in the Black, Whispers in the Dark (mainly for the solo)

I will be honest...for me if you took away from the synths from the album, this would be another commercial alt. rock album... It took me a while to like Collide, but after a while I started to love it...but this cd... It just feels like they left the style that made me love them...

I loved their first cd, I loved Hey You, Alien Youth is still my favorite cd by them...Collide has one of my favorite songs by them, but this one... the only memorable thing about this cd was the solo from "Whispers in the Dark", which easily was the best guitar solo that have done on any of the cd's... Lyrics...some of the songs had decent lyrics (Last Night), but the rest really weren't that memorable... I sorta liked what they did with "Looking for Angels" with the talking the versus....

Overall it was a letdown in my mind...but Skillet still plays awesome live shows.

Posted on 10-02-2007 by Sean
[QUOTE=KaiserZr;3057713]It just feels like they left the style that made me love them...

I loved their first cd, I loved Hey You, Alien Youth is still my favorite cd by them...Collide has one of my favorite songs by them, but this one... [/QUOTE]
Those 4 CDs have very different styles. Which style did they leave with this album?

Posted on 10-15-2006 by akaukal
This album is pretty good. I think it would be much stronger if Skillet hadn't released "Collide" before this album. "Comatose" lacks the rawness and intensity of "Collide". This is still a great album, but it falls way short of "Collide". 7.

Posted on 10-15-2006 by jengoesup
I completely ditto what Pat has said...my thoughts exactly. Collide was more passionate. Comatose takes out the passionate and ends up at mainstream. 6.5. Well, I'll round up to 7.

Posted on 10-15-2006 by jael>rock<
i don't think there's much else to say, you guys pretty well summed it up! yup, ditto

Posted on 10-15-2006 by tl_guitarnut
Pretty solid, good cd.

Posted on 10-15-2006 by Adam K
I like alot of it. A lot less intense but I'm still a panhead, so....I give it a 10

Posted on 10-16-2006 by Luder
I gave it an 8 because I expected a bit more harder stuff, but it's still amazing and pretty intense.

Posted on 10-16-2006 by Adam K
On Comatose the vocals are a lot better than Collide (as relating to clarity)
Even though some of the rough edges still show on some songs.(Although that's one of the things I like about Skillet).
But Skillet and punk rock?("Those Nights") That's just not them. It's not a bad punk song but Skillet is not a punk band. I hope it's just an experiment and nothing they think about seriously. Pretty much its an awesome album by the awesomest band ever.

Posted on 10-16-2006 by akaukal
Hmm, "Those Nights" was actually pulled off quite nicely in my opinion. Not something I want to hear a lot of, but it wasn't terrible. Really, the only 2 tracks I really enjoyed were "Rebirthing" and "Whispers in the Dark". And about the vocals, meh, they're not exactly better. Less gritty I think. I loved the dirty, gritty sound Collide had.

Posted on 10-16-2006 by Adam K
I didn't say "Those Nights" was a bad punk song, but it's just not Skillet.

And the rough edges (the gritty sound) is not found as much in Comatose but I said thats one of the things I like most about Skillet.

Posted on 10-16-2006 by tl_guitarnut
I voted it a 9 by the way.

Posted on 10-16-2006 by switchfootprson
i just like skillet. period. i like those nights. thats the only song i have on this cd. invincible and collide are my favorites.
let the ski season begin

Posted on 10-17-2006 by Adam K
But if you know Skillet well enough you know they're not punk. It just doesn't suit them. I'm glad they kept it to 1 song.

Posted on 10-17-2006 by tl_guitarnut
Yeah Johns voice just dosen't sound right with punk.

Posted on 10-17-2006 by monkeysmile
[QUOTE=Adam K;2651867] Pretty much its an awesome album by the awesomest band ever.[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly.:yep: I voted a 10. I'm still amazed every time I listen to this CD. I've come to the conclusion that [I]Collide[/I] and [I]Comatose[/I] cannot be compared because of the complete difference of music style. They tie.

Posted on 10-17-2007 by KaiserZr
Hey You, Invincible, and Alien Youth all had the industrial feel (more so in Hey you and Invincible), I prefer Alien Youth and Hey You over anything they have done before....the first album was completely different I will give you, but besides that the three I have mentioned are very much industrial rock (just different degrees of the electronic feel)... It feels like they are trying to become more mainstream with their sound....doing what every other band does...the only thing that makes them sound a tad bit different from any other mainstream alt rock band is the type of synths they use.

Posted on 10-18-2006 by Rollercoast19
I believe Comatose is their second best CD, behind Invincible. I personally did not like Collide as much as most of you. I believe Comatose has a lot of great variety, unlike Collide.

If any of you are wondering, I have been a panhead since the first time I heard "Saturn!"

Posted on 10-18-2006 by Adam K
According to John Cooper [I]Invincible[/I] is [B]his[/B] least favorite album that they made.

Posted on 10-18-2006 by CRloveSkillet13
[QUOTE=switchfootprson;2651933]
let the ski season begin[/QUOTE]

Amen!

Posted on 11-07-2006 by WeArEtHeFuTuRe
10/10 i really like skillet lol fav song is Rebirthing i think ima memorize the entire song lol so far i got a few of the parts memorized

Posted on 11-07-2006 by akaukal
[QUOTE=Adam K;2654027]According to John Cooper [I]Invincible[/I] is [B]his[/B] least favorite album that they made.[/QUOTE]

I don't get what you're trying to say. You don't like Invincible and that's fine. But Rollercoast19 thinks Invincible is their best. Just because Invincible is John's least favourite doesn't mean it's not their best album.

Posted on 11-07-2006 by Adam K
[QUOTE=akaukal;2670410]I don't get what you're trying to say. You don't like Invincible and that's fine. But Rollercoast19 thinks Invincible is their best. Just because Invincible is John's least favourite doesn't mean it's not their best album.[/QUOTE]

True. I'm just giving John's (and Mine) view of it.

Posted on 11-15-2006 by guitarguy90
This is by far my most fav. album of theirs. I don't really know why, but I just like the songs more. My favorites are Whispers, Comatose, The Last Night and Rebirthing. CGR definitely needs a rawk on smiley.

Posted on 11-19-2006 by tl_guitarnut
True dat'!

Posted on 11-19-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=Adam K;2652824]But if you know Skillet well enough you know they're not punk. It just doesn't suit them. I'm glad they kept it to 1 song.[/QUOTE]
Are we calling "Those Nights" a punk song simply because of the intro riff? ...cause I can't fathom why else we would call it a punk song?

Posted on 11-19-2006 by tl_guitarnut
I think he means just the atitude of the song.

Posted on 11-19-2006 by akaukal
Those Nights isn't punk.. man, not even close.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by zero91
this a pretty sweet cd, i like it a lot. i dont like it quite as much as collide but it is still a really good. my favorie songs are "better than drugs", "whispers", "falling inside the black", "those nights", and "comatose". it gets an 8 from me.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Adam K
[QUOTE=Sean;2686230]Are we calling "Those Nights" a punk song simply because of the intro riff? ...cause I can't fathom why else we would call it a punk song?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=akaukal;2686468]Those Nights isn't punk.. man, not even close.[/QUOTE]

I know what punk is.
The song is punk, so says Skillet and also read the Reviews.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by akaukal
[QUOTE=Adam K;2710733]I know what punk is.
The song is punk, so says Skillet and also read the Reviews.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to get into an argument about what punk is, but that song isn't punk or even pop-punk. It's more of a pop-rock song with influences of pop-punk. Having a piano being the lead instrument in that song really turns off the perception of "punk".

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Adam K
"The near pop-punk sentiment of "Those Nights" marks the biggest change in the band's sound" from : [url]http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/CdReviews/Comatose.asp[/url]

"Skillet also tries some new things, such as Those Nights. I was reminded of modern Relient K when I first heard the song, with its pop-punk sounding guitars, piano-driven verse and shouts of “Oh oh! Oh oh!” "

from :[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?albumid=12518[/url]

"The only weak point on the record, in my opinion, is the scarily pop-punk track "Those Nights," a song you’d expect to find on an album of the likes of Hawk Nelson or MEST. This track just seems to drag the album down, losing a touch of musical sophistication that I’ve always prided Skillet in having. The only other complaint is that at times, lyrics can seem a bit overdramatic, for want of a better word."

from: [url]http://ccmbuzz.com/articles/630/1/Skillet---Comatose-2006/Page1.html[/url]

Posted on 12-09-2006 by akaukal
[QUOTE=Adam K;2710747]"The near pop-punk sentiment of "Those Nights" marks the biggest change in the band's sound" from : [url]http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/CdReviews/Comatose.asp[/url]

"Skillet also tries some new things, such as Those Nights. I was reminded of modern Relient K when I first heard the song, with its pop-punk sounding guitars, piano-driven verse and shouts of Oh oh! Oh oh! "

from :[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?albumid=12518[/url]

"The only weak point on the record, in my opinion, is the scarily pop-punk track "Those Nights," a song youd expect to find on an album of the likes of Hawk Nelson or MEST. This track just seems to drag the album down, losing a touch of musical sophistication that Ive always prided Skillet in having. The only other complaint is that at times, lyrics can seem a bit overdramatic, for want of a better word."

from: [url]http://ccmbuzz.com/articles/630/1/Skillet---Comatose-2006/Page1.html[/url][/QUOTE]

This doesn't change my opinion at all. When they say "piano driven verses" they're refering to the Relient K comparison. I don't hear a lot of pop-punk where the piano is a key instrument except in Relient K and that's even cutting things close. The fact is, this track is not punk. I really don't care what reviews have to say. They have their opinion, I have mine. I don't care if I'm wrong. This "punk" track doesn't sound like the punk I listen to.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=Adam K;2710733]I know what punk is.[/quote]
Can you point me to a Ramones song that sounds ANYTHING like "Those Nights?" Sex Pistols? Black Flag? The Germs? Minor Threat? ...I'll even play nice...Green Day? Blink 182? New Found Glory?

[quote]The song is punk, so says Skillet and also read the Reviews.[/QUOTE]
Take away the intro guitar riff and you'd still consider the song punk? I'll grant the intro riff sounds like a great deal of pop-punk. However, the rest of the song sounds like the rest of the CD.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=Adam K;2710747]"The near pop-punk sentiment of "Those Nights" marks the biggest change in the band's sound" from : [url]http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/CdReviews/Comatose.asp[/url]

"Skillet also tries some new things, such as Those Nights. I was reminded of modern Relient K when I first heard the song, with its pop-punk sounding guitars, piano-driven verse and shouts of “Oh oh! Oh oh!” "

from :[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?albumid=12518[/url]

"The only weak point on the record, in my opinion, is the scarily pop-punk track "Those Nights," a song you’d expect to find on an album of the likes of Hawk Nelson or MEST. This track just seems to drag the album down, losing a touch of musical sophistication that I’ve always prided Skillet in having. The only other complaint is that at times, lyrics can seem a bit overdramatic, for want of a better word."

from: [url]http://ccmbuzz.com/articles/630/1/Skillet---Comatose-2006/Page1.html[/url][/QUOTE]

I don't know what sputnikmusic is but I would hardly consider CCMBuzz or JesusFreakHideout to be experts on music. They write to a nitch market. Now as for Sputnickmusic, it is certainly true that Relient K is pop-punk and that Relient K occasionally uses pianos during the verses of their songs. However, uses pianos during the verses of a song is hardly punk by any definition. Relient K using pianos in the verses is an example of them transcending their genre. Therefore, Skillet using pianos during the verses really does little to prove the point that the song is punk.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Adam K
[QUOTE=Sean;2710799]I don't know what sputnikmusic is but I would hardly consider CCMBuzz or JesusFreakHideout to be experts on music. They write to a nitch market. Now as for Sputnickmusic, it is certainly true that Relient K is pop-punk and that Relient K occasionally uses pianos during the verses of their songs. However, uses pianos during the verses of a song is hardly punk by any definition. Relient K using pianos in the verses is an example of them transcending their genre. Therefore, Skillet using pianos during the verses really does little to prove the point that the song is punk.[/QUOTE]

My point is that Skillet tried something too different than their style. It sounds aot like more modern "punk" than any other genre to me.
The style is completely like Hawk Nelson/Relient K.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=Adam K;2710839]My point is that Skillet tried something too different than their style. It sounds aot like more modern "punk" than any other genre to me.
The style is completely like Hawk Nelson/Relient K.[/QUOTE]
Once again, besides the intro-riff and possibly the "Oooooo" part, how is the song different from any other song on the CD?

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Adam K
[QUOTE=Sean;2710860]Once again, besides the intro-riff and possibly the "Oooooo" part, how is the song different from any other song on the CD?[/QUOTE]

They don't do that style in any other song they've ever made as a band.Not even in Comatose.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by tl_guitarnut
Its not as rocky as the rest. It's just too different from their style.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=Adam K;2710865]They don't do that style in any other song they've ever made as a band.Not even in Comatose.[/QUOTE]
Since I reject the premise that the song is punk or even a different style than the rest of the CD (besides the two previous mentioned parts), retelling me that it's a different style isn't simply restating your position. It isn't an argument. I want you to explain to me how the song is different from the rest of the CD besides the two previously mentioned parts.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Adam K
[QUOTE=Sean;2710887]Since I reject the premise that the song is punk or even a different style than the rest of the CD (besides the two previous mentioned parts), retelling me that it's a different style isn't simply restating your position. It isn't an argument. I want you to explain to me how the song is different from the rest of the CD besides the two previously mentioned parts.[/QUOTE]

The beat of the song is one. It's to upbeat cheery for a Skillet song. Now tell me how it is [I]like[/I] any other song on Comatose.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=tl_guitarnut;2710866]Its not as rocky as the rest. It's just too different from their style.[/QUOTE]
Which style is that? The early 90s alt-rock, grunge of their self-titled CD or the industrial rock of Hey You I Love Your Soul or the electronic synth-pop rock of Invincible or the hard rock with industrial intinges of Alien Youth or the hard rock of Collide or the hard rock with catchy pop-influenced choruses of Comatose?

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Adam K
[QUOTE=Sean;2710896]Which style is that? The early 90s alt-rock, grunge of their self-titled CD or the industrial rock of Hey You I Love Your Soul or the electronic synth-pop rock of Invincible or the hard rock with industrial intinges of Alien Youth or the hard rock of Collide or the hard rock with catchy pop-influenced choruses of Comatose?[/QUOTE]

Just tell me what it[I] is [/I]like?

Posted on 12-09-2006 by DKelly
The only song I've heard of this CD is "Rebirthing", but it's a decent song.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by Adam K
[QUOTE=DKelly;2710931]The only song T've heard of this CD is "Rebirthing", but it's a decent song.[/QUOTE]

Yep, one of my favorites.

Posted on 12-09-2006 by tl_guitarnut
[QUOTE=Sean;2710896]Which style is that? The early 90s alt-rock, grunge of their self-titled CD or the industrial rock of Hey You I Love Your Soul or the electronic synth-pop rock of Invincible or the hard rock with industrial intinges of Alien Youth or the hard rock of Collide or the hard rock with catchy pop-influenced choruses of Comatose?[/QUOTE]

Their style on comatose is arena rock with industrial undertones. "Those nights" partway fits that, but the lyrics talk about how great it was when they were young, definitly punk territory.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by akaukal
[QUOTE=tl_guitarnut;2710973]Their style on comatose is arena rock with industrial undertones. "Those nights" partway fits that, but the lyrics talk about how great it was when they were young, definitly punk territory.[/QUOTE]

:confused:

Let's all stop arguing about this song. For those of you who think this is "punk" go right ahead. Let's just drop it.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=Adam K;2710891]The beat of the song is one. It's to upbeat cheery for a Skillet song. Now tell me how it is [I]like[/I] any other song on Comatose.[/QUOTE]
It might be the MOST upbeat song on the CD, but it hardly an upbeat song and it certainly isn't cheery. Its very anthemic (like the rest of the CD). Lyrically it talks about how the only thing to get him through the hard times was remember "those nights." Typically hard times aren't considered cheery.

The song actualy soundsfairly similiar to "The Older I Get." Both start off with a guitar riff (obviously very different riffs), then all the instruments cut out except one (clean guitar in one and piano in the other). The melodies sound very similiar. Seriously, skip back and fourth between both songs starting at about 12 seconds into each song. They sound very similiar. After this more instruments kick in as well as a vocal harmony line. The chorus melodies sound similiar as well.

I don't think there is anything particularly pop-punk about the melodies. As I mentioned before, I think many of the melodies are very much in line with those of "The Older I Get." The pianos are hardly a distinctive of pop-punk, and they're found throughout the entire CD. Some of the lyrics do touch on some pop-punk themes, but they take them in a very different direction. Pop-punk typically takes in a sappy direction where Skillet takes it in a darker direction (discussing "hard times). The only pop punk distinctives I can see are the intro-riff and the "Oooo" part.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=Adam K;2710908]Just tell me what it[I] is [/I]like?[/QUOTE]
I think it sounds like the rest of the CD. It's anthemic hard-rock with infectious and catchy choruses. It seems like many of the songs have very similiar melodies and structures [SPECULATION] therefore it seems like they tried to add something distinctive to each song by having different introductions[/SPECULATION]. Notice that on 5 or 6 of the songs when the verses begins its just the singer and like one instrument...then half way through the verse more instruments kick in. However, they all have different introductions. One starts off with a massive string section the next starts off with pianos into a heavy riff...then it's a vocal kick off...then distorted guitars...then synth strings/pad....then a clean lead guitar....then a pop-punk-esque riff...another clean guitar riff...pianos with vocals...distant piano into effects heavy vocals...drums into a full out chorus.

I don't think the song itself is very pop-punk at all. I think they decided to use some pop-punk tricks to help distinguish the song from the others, but overall, the song is very similiar to the rest of the CD.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=tl_guitarnut;2710973]Their style on comatose is arena rock with industrial undertones. [/quote]
I didn't notice anything distinctly industrial on this CD.

[quote]"Those nights" partway fits that, but the lyrics talk about how great it was when they were young, definitly punk territory.[/QUOTE]
Thats reasonable. However, I think they take it in a very different direction. The pop-punk cliche is to sing about past nights stayinging up late in a sappy, pinning love song sort of way. This song is more about how the memories have helped him through hard times. It seems to go in a different direction than the cliche.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=akaukal;2711202]:confused:

Let's all stop arguing about this song. For those of you who think this is "punk" go right ahead. Let's just drop it.[/QUOTE]
If you don't like discussion, why are you on a message board? I'm on this website because I enjoy discussing things like this. To simply end a discussion simply because people disagree would eliminate my entire purpose for being here.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by tl_guitarnut
[QUOTE=Sean;2711227]I think it sounds like the rest of the CD. It's anthemic hard-rock with infectious and catchy choruses. It seems like many of the songs have very similiar melodies and structures [SPECULATION] therefore it seems like they tried to add something distinctive to each song by having different introductions[/SPECULATION]. Notice that on 5 or 6 of the songs when the verses begins its just the singer and like one instrument...then half way through the verse more instruments kick in. However, they all have different introductions. One starts off with a massive string section the next starts off with pianos into a heavy riff...then it's a vocal kick off...then distorted guitars...then synth strings/pad....then a clean lead guitar....then a pop-punk-esque riff...another clean guitar riff...pianos with vocals...distant piano into effects heavy vocals...drums into a full out chorus.

I don't think the song itself is very pop-punk at all. I think they decided to use some pop-punk tricks to help distinguish the song from the others, but overall, the song is very similiar to the rest of the CD.[/QUOTE]


Really I don't see why having the same melody would make it the same song, you can hide melodys easily. And they do it many ways. But listen to the chorus, compare it to another punk song and it sounds the same. The verses don't sound so much like it. But thats what happens when Skillet does a punk song, they bring their own special elements to it. Pianos are more of a themreon this album. Of course their going to use them on every song, but its still punk. no matter how many tricks they use, they can't hide the fact that its still a bouncy upbeat tune about their younger days.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by tl_guitarnut
[QUOTE=Sean;2711220]It might be the MOST upbeat song on the CD, but it hardly an upbeat song and it certainly isn't cheery. Its very anthemic (like the rest of the CD). Lyrically it talks about how the only thing to get him through the hard times was remember "those nights." Typically hard times aren't considered cheery.[/QUOTE]

It is when they say how they "Stayed up late and we talked all night in a dark room lit by the tv light." I'm sorry, but those just sound very Punk.


[QUOTE]The song actualy soundsfairly similiar to "The Older I Get." Both start off with a guitar riff (obviously very different riffs), then all the instruments cut out except one (clean guitar in one and piano in the other). The melodies sound very similiar. Seriously, skip back and fourth between both songs starting at about 12 seconds into each song. They sound very similiar. After this more instruments kick in as well as a vocal harmony line. The chorus melodies sound similiar as well.[/QUOTE]

Personally I dont find much similar, besides the fact that in both songs, the instruments cut out right before the chorus. Other than that they sound nothing alike.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=tl_guitarnut;2711352] no matter how many tricks they use, they can't hide the fact that its still a bouncy upbeat tune about their younger days.[/QUOTE]
:confused:

Are you listening to the same song as me? How on earth is this song bouncy or up-beat? The verses obviously aren't bouncy and the chorus is anthemic not bouncy. It makes you want to pump your fist in the hair not bounce up and down. I honesty haven't got a clue how this song could be considered bouncy.

What are these tricks you're referencing that are trying to hide the sound?

Posted on 12-10-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=tl_guitarnut;2711355]It is when they say how they "Stayed up late and we talked all night in a dark room lit by the tv light." I'm sorry, but those just sound very Punk.[/quote]
CONTEXT...CONTEXT...CONTEXT....what does he say right after that? He starts talking about the hard times. It isn't a sappy love struck song pinning over "those days." Instead its a song about how "those days" have gotten him through the hard times. Hardly punk lyrics and very much in line with the themes of the rest of the CD.

[quote]Personally I dont find much similar, besides the fact that in both songs, the instruments cut out right before the chorus. Other than that they sound nothing alike.[/QUOTE]
I'm 95% baffled as to how anyone can listen to the verses of these songs and NOT think they sound extremey similiar. He's using a similiar pattern to the vocals...the notes even sound the same.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=tl_guitarnut;2711352]Really I don't see why having the same melody would make it the same song[/quote]
I never said it was the same song. I said there are a lot of similiar melodies, song structures and arrangementns.

[quote] you can hide melodys easily. And they do it many ways.[/quote]
I haven't got a clue what that means.

[quote] But listen to the chorus, compare it to another punk song and it sounds the same.[/quote]
Name one punk who's chorus sounds like this song? According to my iTunes playlist, I have just short of 2,000 songs in punk directories. I would consider myself to be rather familiar with punk and pop-punk...and I honestly can't think of any choruses that sound anything like the chorus to this song.

[quote] The verses don't sound so much like it. But thats what happens when Skillet does a punk song, they bring their own special elements to it. Pianos are more of a themreon this album. Of course their going to use them on every song, but its still punk.[/quote]
I'm still completely unconvinced that this is a punk song. I'm aware of no punk songs with a chorus like this one, and I'm baffled by your assertion that this song is bouncy.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by tl_guitarnut
[QUOTE]I'm still completely unconvinced that this is a punk song. I'm aware of no punk songs with a chorus like this one, and I'm baffled by your assertion that this song is bouncy.[/QUOTE]

Tell me, have you ever heard a Skillet song this bouncy before? I think what I'm getting at is, its punky for a Skillet song. I don't know if it sounds like anything else, it probably does, but I've never heard it. But compare to other Skillet songs and what have you got, a song that leans onto the punk spectrum. Its got tinges of other stuff, but overwhelmingly it is punk, just with other styles thrown in. I think they pull it off alright, buts its Skillet its not skillet's sound.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by tl_guitarnut
And you yourself said it was the most upbeat song on the album and thats what I mean when I say bouncy.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=tl_guitarnut;2711401]Tell me, have you ever heard a Skillet song this bouncy before? [/quote]
Since I don't consider the song bouncy at all, sure...all of Skillet's song's are equally this not bouncy. I don't find there to be ANYTHING bouncy about it.

[quote]I think what I'm getting at is, its punky for a Skillet song. [/quote]
I'll grant its punky for a Skillet song...because of the intro riff and the "Oooo" part. I don't find the melodies, beat or guitar parts distinctly punk at all. It's an anthemic rocker like the rest of this CD.

[quote]I don't know if it sounds like anything else, it probably does, but I've never heard it. [/quote]
[quote=You]But listen to the chorus, compare it to another punk song and it sounds the same.[/quote]
You said it sounds like a punk chorus. If you've never heard a song that sounds like it, then why did you say it sounds like a punk chorus?

[quote]But compare to other Skillet songs and what have you got, a song that leans onto the punk spectrum. Its got tinges of other stuff, but overwhelmingly it is punk, just with other styles thrown in. I think they pull it off alright, buts its Skillet its not skillet's sound.[/QUOTE]
I would argue the opposite. It's very much a Skillet song typical of this album accept it has punk tinges (i.e. intro part and "Oooo"). I don't see the song itsef as punk at all. It's an anthemic rocker with a pop-punk intro riff and a pop-punk-esque "Oooo" part.

Posted on 12-10-2006 by Adam K
[QUOTE=Sean;2711438]Since I don't consider the song bouncy at all, sure...all of Skillet's song's are equally this not bouncy. I don't find there to be ANYTHING bouncy about it.


I'll grant its punky for a Skillet song...because of the intro riff and the "Oooo" part. I don't find the melodies, beat or guitar parts distinctly punk at all. It's an anthemic rocker like the rest of this CD.



You said it sounds like a punk chorus. If you've never heard a song that sounds like it, then why did you say it sounds like a punk chorus?


I would argue the opposite. It's very much a Skillet song typical of this album accept it has punk tinges (i.e. intro part and "Oooo"). I don't see the song itsef as punk at all. It's an anthemic rocker with a pop-punk intro riff and a pop-punk-esque "Oooo" part.[/QUOTE]

Think more modern pop-punk

Posted on 12-10-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=Adam K;2711442]Think more modern pop-punk[/QUOTE]
Example?

Posted on 12-11-2006 by Adam K
[QUOTE=Sean;2711470]Example?[/QUOTE]

Relient K?

EDIT: It really can't be pinned on one band though.

Posted on 12-11-2006 by akaukal
[QUOTE=Adam K;2711719]Relient K?

EDIT: It really can't be pinned on one band though.[/QUOTE]

Not at all. The only thing that is similar about this song to punk pop is the intro riff. This may be just me, but I really dont' hear a lot of punk pop bands with a gritty lead vocalist.

Posted on 12-11-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=Adam K;2711719]Relient K?

EDIT: It really can't be pinned on one band though.[/QUOTE]
Well, since the point of all of this is that I don't think the song sounds like pop-punk or punk (besides two elements), I want you to provide a SPECIFIC example. I own 3 Relient K CDs (well...4 with the Christmas album) and I don't hear the similarities.

Posted on 12-11-2006 by Sith of blades
[QUOTE=Adam K;2711719]Relient K?

EDIT: It really can't be pinned on one band though.[/QUOTE]

I think a better example would be FM Static. Specifically? Hmm...I dunno...Three Days Later, Definitely Maybe, October, those are some songs.

Posted on 12-11-2006 by zero91
[QUOTE=Sith of blades;2711918]I think a better example would be FM Static. Specifically? Hmm...I dunno...Three Days Later, Definitely Maybe, October, those are some songs.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, thats what I was thinking. "Those nights" does have a FM static feel too it (not just the intro riff and "oh" part). But thats just my opinion.

Posted on 12-11-2006 by P86andDHrock
I was expecting a harder album, however, the way they fill the music with hard guitar riffs and more programming than Collide was perfect. Rebirthing is a great song that shows off the programming and back up vocals. Also other good songs include Comatose, Better Than Drugs, and the final song with spoken word in it, Looking for Angels. This music is very well done and will appeal to a wide assortment of music buffs. This one gets a 9 from me.

Posted on 12-11-2009 by RedSkittle
Love this album to death! Got some history with that Last Night song. I can't remember when I first heard it but I was at a place in my life where I longed for someone like the guy in the song. A few years later...I found Him and He's Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!

Posted on 12-12-2006 by Sean
[QUOTE=Sith of blades;2711918]I think a better example would be FM Static. Specifically? Hmm...I dunno...Three Days Later, Definitely Maybe, October, those are some songs.[/QUOTE]
I checked out all three of those songs on iTunes. I'm just not hearing it. I'm also having a real hard time understanding how one could hear "Those Nights" and think the song writing sounds more like those three songs than like the other songs on the Skillet CD.

What specifically in "Those Nights" sounds like elements of which specific parts of those songs.

Posted on 12-12-2006 by Adam K
[QUOTE=Sean;2713170]I checked out all three of those songs on iTunes. I'm just not hearing it. I'm also having a real hard time understanding how one could hear "Those Nights" and think the song writing sounds more like those three songs than like the other songs on the Skillet CD.

What specifically in "Those Nights" sounds like elements of which specific parts of those songs.[/QUOTE]

FM Static definitely i hear; In style.You have to listen to their choruses, like check out their purevolume or myspace.

Posted on 12-13-2009 by RedSkittle
*clears throat*
I seee youu staanndiing heeere...but youu're soooo faaaaarr aawaaayy.
Staarving foor youur attenntioon you don't eveen knoooow myy naaame.

:brick: Dang! I drew a blank.

Posted on 12-16-2009 by Guitarman121319
I think the CD rocks myself. There newest "Awake" is amazing.


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