[Art]

Originally Posted by tht00

but, as i said earlier, if people/companies were truly worried about their energy bill, there are thousands upon thousands of things they could do. and i'm sure that they could do a heck-of-a-lot more than 1%... if they wanted to...

DST is something automatic that the state can do. You can not force people to conserve energy. Most people just won't do it.

My family is pretty good about conserving energy. If we aren't in a room, the lights are off. etc.

[tht00]

the bill failed... by a very small margin, but it failed. today was the last day for several bills to get out of indiana's house.

this is the 2nd time for the bill to fail. the first time was probably a month or so ago. another deadline and the democrats didn't show, thus the quorum wasn't met, and the effectively killed the bill... the first time.

republicans soon revived the bill by hijacking another... this one just died today.

on a side note, this is the first time i've agreed with democrats on in a long, long time. i support our new governor, mitch daniels, as he is helping to reconstruct the indiana economy. 8 or so years of frank o'bannon (D) as governer (kernan as his successor when he died) really made indiana's economy sour. i agree with most changes mitch has been doing, but not this one...

it didn't help that it quickly became a partison issue... republicans rallied behind mitch and the democrats, although usually just being butts, rallied against them... and for once i agreed with the democrats; probably won't happen again for some time, but i was disgusted with how the bill was presented and nearly forced through.

just my 2 cents for today...

relieved that DST is dead once again... although it'll probably be resurrected sometime in the near future...

[AJ.]

This was an article on the website of our news station.
http://www.wndu.com/news/042005/news_41484.php

Indiana House passes Daylight Savings Bill
Posted: 04/11/2005 06:49 pm
Last Updated: 04/11/2005 06:51 pm

Indianapolis, IN - With a 51 to 47 vote, the Indiana House has passed a bill that would mandate statewide daylight-saving time.

Early Monday afternoon, 49 House members voted for the proposal and 50 voted against. The bill had to be called back for another vote because it takes a constitutional majority of 51 votes to pass a bill or defeat one outright.

The bill will now go to the Indiana Senate for final approval.


Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

This was the one from earlier today

House fails to pass daylight saving bill
Posted: 04/11/2005 05:42 pm
Last Updated: 04/11/2005 08:53 pm

Story filed by NewsCenter16 Reporter
Mark Peterson

Indianapolis, IN - All eyes are on the clock as the Indiana House faces a midnight deadline to reconsider a controversial daylight saving time bill. The House failed to pass daylight saving earlier today.

About 2:45 PM Monday afternoon came the moment everyone had been waiting for: the daylight saving time bill was called up to the House floor.

There was an hour of debate and then the bill went to a vote. The final tally was 49 votes in support of the bill and 50 votes against it. The bill failed to pass.

However, it is significant to note procedurally that a bill needs 51 votes to fail. Just as it needs 51 votes to pass, it also needs 51 votes against to kill it.

Sometime before midnight tonight, the bill could be back.

”Those who are not wanting it are saying they don’t want it simply because they do not want to change their clocks. I don’t think that is a good reason to stagnant the economy and jobs in the state of Indiana,” said Carolene Mays (D) of Indianapolis.

”Personally, I could support this bill if it was just left up to me but I have constituents back home that are adamantly opposed to this,” said Jerry Denbo (D) of French Lick.

Area lawmakers' votes
South Bend-Mishawaka area lawmakers, including B. Patrick Bauer, Craig Fry and Thomas Kromkowski, were overwhelmingly against the bill.

Republican lawmakers like Jackie Walorski of Lakeville and Steve Heim of Culver also voted against the bill.

Marlin Stutzman from LaGrange County voted in favor of the bill.

So has it actually passed or not? Do they just need to get the Senate to approve it or what?

[tht00]

Originally Posted by AJ.

This was an article on the website of our news station.
http://www.wndu.com/news/042005/news_41484.php



This was the one from earlier today


So has it actually passed or not? Do they just need to get the Senate to approve it or what?

i thought i had heard that if didn't...

[tht00]

another ambiguous article:
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.a...7&nav=0Ra6YW7V

By Jim Shella
24 Hour News 8

(Indianapolis) - The long-awaited vote on Daylight Saving Time in the Indiana House of Representatives finally passed on a second vote 51 to 47, after an earlier vote failed.

On the second vote, three Republicans changed their vote to help the bill pass. The first vote was close with 49 for DST and 50 against. Because it takes 51 votes to either pass or kill a bill, it was still eligible for a second vote.

There was considerable drama surrounding the vfirst vote as the machine was left open for several minutes while Republican leaders tried to encourage opponents of DST to support the governor's proposal. At one point there were 50 green lights lit but never 51.

The vote came after almost an hour of debate, where it was pointed out that Daylight Saving is so controversial that lawmakers would rather not deal with it.

"What I'm concerned about is, I don't want to mess with this again next year," said Rep. Woody Burton (R-District 58).

"The people that have expressed not wanting it have said they don't want it simply because they don't want to change their clocks. And I don't think that is a good reason to stagnate the economy and jobs in the state of Indiana," said Rep. Carolene Mays (D-District 94).

“Roll call shows 49 voting aye, 50 voting no. The bill has failed to pass but has not been defeated,” stated House Speaker Brian Bosma.

"I would think it's probably dead for the year," said bill sponsor Rep. Jerry Torr, who appeared resigned to defeat, but Gov. Mitch Daniels may have other ideas.

The effort is now underway to change some minds. If nothing happens by midnight, the bill is dead.

wthr:

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - The Indiana House has passed a bill that would mandate statewide daylight-saving time 51-to-47. The bill is headed to the Senate. But it's likely to be assigned
to a conference committee where some provisions deemed illegal by the federal government can be removed so it could advance further in the Senate.

Earlier this afternoon, 49 House members voted for the proposal and 50 voted against. So the bill was called back for another vote. It takes a constitutional majority of 51 votes to pass a bill or
defeat one outright.

Then, supporters persuaded enough lawmakers to change their votes before tallying them up a second time. Republican Representative Jerry Torr the bill's primary sponsor says he has notified Governor Mitch Daniels, who had the bill as one of his top priorities.

(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

i'm possitive that i had heard that the bill didn't pass... maybe that was before they got their 2nd vote in??

looks like the bill is off to the senate...

[AJ.]

I don't really know exactly what is going on. By reading it the two articles contradict each other.
The first one on the page, seems to make it sound that it is still in consideration. But the number of votes don't make sense.

Indianapolis, IN - With a 51 to 47 vote, the Indiana House has passed a bill that would mandate statewide daylight-saving time.

Early Monday afternoon, 49 House members voted for the proposal and 50 voted against. The bill had to be called back for another vote because it takes a constitutional majority of 51 votes to pass a bill or defeat one outright.

The bill will now go to the Indiana Senate for final approval.

[tht00]

the news will be comming on in a couple min... i'm sure that'll explain more...

[AJ.]

Well it looks like it is still on.

Daylight saving time one step closer to becoming law
House members had to vote twice on the daylight saving time bill before mustering enough votes to pass it

Posted: 04/11/2005 10:51 pm
Last Updated: 04/11/2005 10:52 pm

Story filed by NewsCenter16 Reporter
Mark Peterson

Indianapolis, IN - The Indiana house passed a bill Monday evening that would mandate statewide daylight-saving time.

The bill passed 51-to-47, just barely making it off the house floor.

Two votes
The second time was a charm. House members had to vote twice on the daylight saving time bill before mustering enough votes to pass it.

The second vote on daylight saving time came about three hours after the first.
Success for the bill came only after three republican lawmakers decided to change their minds.

The groundwork came before in in-between meetings with the governor.

“They brought in back for another vote, which gave the governor some time to hammer on some people, and he got his way at the end of the day,” said Democratic Michigan City Representative Scott Telath.

But the end of the legislative session is still a couple of weeks away and the daylight saving time bill has a long way to go before it becomes law.

“What you’re doing, is you’re forcing fairly large areas of the state to a time, which they clearly don’t want, which is New York time,” said Democratic South Bend Representative B. Patrick Bauer.

“It will probably be the outcome of a conference committee in house senate negotiations and I suppose there could be a chance that we’ll be voting on it again within the next few weeks,” said Telath.

Now there is a chance the bill could change dramatically as it is re-worked in a house senate conference committee, making an already controversial measure even more so.

Bill becoming law
The bill is a long way from becoming law.

Before it heads into the senate, a conference committee will likely remove some provisions of the bill, deemed "illegal" by the federal government.

One provision would allow counties bordering central time zones, like St. Joe County, to opt out of daylight saving time.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by Jay Tea

Somebody's trying to get US daylight savings time extended for a couple months for this reason.

which uses more electricity, lights or air conditioning. if you extend DST an additional hour, then it is an additional hour that people will be at home and the AC will be running more.

[Visirale]

Originally Posted by Bryan

which uses more electricity, lights or air conditioning. if you extend DST an additional hour, then it is an additional hour that people will be at home and the AC will be running more.

No, sorry. As art said, statistics have shown that an energy save does occur. 1 percent in california is a huge amount...

[tht00]

Originally Posted by Visirale

No, sorry. As art said, statistics have shown that an energy save does occur. 1 percent in california is a huge amount...

yet completely irrelevant to indiana... already being an 'hour ahead'. i'd much rather be an hour ahead (eastern) and not have DST than be back (central) with DST... and definently not eastern with DST.

[AJ.]

I think we are pretty much guaranteed now to have the bill pass, from what I understand Mitch Daniels just has to sign off on it now.

http://www.wndu.com/news/042005/news_41847.php

Daylight saving time bill passes Indiana House
A bill to put all of Indiana on daylight saving time passed the Indiana House by one vote late Thursday night.

The House voted 51-to-46 to pass the bill. It was the second vote of the day. Earlier, there weren't enough votes to either pass or defeat the measure.

It now goes to the desk of Governor Daniels. Daniels has supported the bill as an economic-development effort. If he signs it as is expected, it would cap three decades of contentious debate on the issue.

All of Indiana would join 47 other states in observing daylight saving time beginning next April.

The bill asks the federal government to hold hearings to determine where the line should be drawn between the Eastern and Central time zones.

Most of the state's 92 counties don't change their clocks. Businesses and lobbyists say the current system causes mix-ups over airline flights, delivery times and conference calls.

Supporters are calling the vote historic and one that shows the world Indiana is "willing to step into the 21st century." However, opponents say their constituents don't want the change and it likely won't affect the economy.