Tax on Tax?

Nate · 04-04-2005, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BurntHombre

I was just kidding, really. I have no idea why you were taxed twice. Time to do some agitating. In fact, I bet a quick call to Sam's Club would provide an answer to the "why."

It could be perfectly legitimate. You still get charged sales tax on alcohol even though the store has to pay a tax (and, therefore, charge you a higher price, on which you have to pay sales tax, thus paying sales tax [indirectly] on the alcohol tax the store paid, as reflected in your higher purchase price) on it (it as alcohol, that is) as well, right? There's an instance of double taxation. The only difference here is that the "alcohol tax" (i.e. "sftdrink tax" in this case) is being paid by the consumer instead of by the retailer. The point is that it's two entirely separate types of taxes. Yeah, it's crazy, but it's legit.

Maybe I'm missing something.

In His love,
Nate

nolidad · 04-04-2005, 04:41 PM

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How is this any different from the rest of the country?

Probably little or none--when the various governments in this country collect almost $4,500,000,000,000 in taxes everry year to govern almost 300,000,000 people AI would say that is excessive. That works out to $15,000 per person. With me and my family of 7 if I had to pay the per capita--I would need to ccome up with $105,000 just to satisfy the lust of government.

Nate · 04-04-2005, 04:43 PM

I also think that it's excessive (probably moreso than you, in fact). I just don't see why you singled out your state. That's all.

marvinranch · 04-04-2005, 05:11 PM

I don't like getting taxed BECAUSE of the tax, I understand paying a "sales tax" or whatever, but not a "tax tax"
We have to pay more "sales tax" not because we were sold more stuff, but because we got taxed on some of the stuff we bought. . . if that made any sense.

**adamwagg** · 04-04-2005, 05:44 PM

This is one of the reasons our government introduced the GST. (Goods and services tax), because we had about ten thousands taxes on goods before, that some were seen and some were transparent to the consumer but the consumer ends up paying anyway.

The GST is a 10% tax, that is only paid by the consumer, so there is no tax on tax etc.

With cigarettes there is extra tax levy to keep the prices high (apparently to discourage people from smoking) but i dont know if the gst is added before this or after this.

But the GST makes everything heaps simplier.

BurntHombre · 04-04-2005, 06:12 PM

I've never lived in a state that taxed taxes. This is new to me.

Nate · 04-04-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BurntHombre

I've never lived in a state that taxed taxes. This is new to me.

I'm still not sure what to make of it. I thought the example I gave worked, but the more I think about it, the less sense it makes.

Grasshopper359 · 04-04-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nolidad

Probably little or none--when the various governments in this country collect almost $4,500,000,000,000 in taxes everry year to govern almost 300,000,000 people AI would say that is excessive. That works out to $15,000 per person. With me and my family of 7 if I had to pay the per capita--I would need to ccome up with $105,000 just to satisfy the lust of government.

Every year the government announces a budget plan so that the public knows where all their money is going. That nobody has made a real (other than the usual gripes) issue out of it tells me one of two things: first, they don't feel that their money is being horribly wasted (wasted, yes - it goes along with democracy, but obviously not enough to motivate enough people to demand change), or, second, that they don't pay attention to where it's all going. I'm willing to bet on the latter.

JerryLove · 04-04-2005, 06:42 PM

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Probably little or none--when the various governments in this country collect almost $4,500,000,000,000 in taxes everry year to govern almost 300,000,000 people AI would say that is excessive. That works out to $15,000 per person. With me and my family of 7 if I had to pay the per capita--I would need to ccome up with $105,000 just to satisfy the lust of government.

I love how you set up an argument and then defeat your own argument.

Did you pay $105,000 in taxes last year?

How much is your safety worth? How much is having access to oil worth? What are roads worth? How about police? Do you like having criminals arrested? Are you glad ot have phone service and hospitals even in rural areas?

*shrugs* I'm sure the government wastes lots of money, and really needs to spend *very* differently... though that's the crux of the problem (spending, not taxation).

nolidad · 04-04-2005, 10:18 PM

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How much is your safety worth? How much is having access to oil worth? What are roads worth? How about police? Do you like having criminals arrested? Are you glad ot have phone service and hospitals even in rural areas?

we are not talking about taxation--but over taxation.

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shrugs* I'm sure the government wastes lots of money, and really needs to spend *very* differently... though that's the crux of the problem (spending, not taxation).

If they spent better there would be less taxation. Some programs of Govt. require 80 cents in administrative cost for every dollar taken in. So the net effect is the people are benefitted 20 cents on the dollar.

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Did you pay $105,000 in taxes last year?

No but if you paid more than your share thanks for pitching in.

JerryLove · 04-05-2005, 05:38 AM

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we are not talking about taxation--but over taxation.

Really? I thought we were talking about the double-tax on a sales reciept.

If you wanna discusss over-taxtion: "over taxation is bad, under taxation is bad, just-right taxation is just-right".

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If they spent better there would be less taxation. Some programs of Govt. require 80 cents in administrative cost for every dollar taken in. So the net effect is the people are benefitted 20 cents on the dollar.

While I doubt your numbers, I certainly dont disagree that most governments have poor control of fiscal spending.

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No but if you paid more than your share thanks for pitching in.

Considering that taxes come out of the pocket of the working person. One, maybe two of the seven of you work. All of my family works. Therefore, I paid much of your share.

BurntHombre · 04-05-2005, 08:08 AM

Marvinranch, seriously -- you should call Sam's Club and ask them to explain the charges and taxes on the receipt. I'm sure it's legitimate in some weird way, but I can't figure it out. You can then perform a civic service and pass the info on to us, thereby making us all better-informed consumer citizens.

marvinranch · 04-05-2005, 08:35 AM

ok I will.
I'll letcha know how it goes, but I have a gazillion tests so it may be the weekend before I get around to it.

nolidad · 04-05-2005, 04:09 PM

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Considering that taxes come out of the pocket of the working person. One, maybe two of the seven of you work. All of my family works. Therefore, I paid much of your share.

Why Jerry I didn't think you had it in you to do something nice for me!! I am deeply moved thank you !!!!!!!!

There is hope for you yet!!!!!!!

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If you wanna discusss over-taxtion: "over taxation is bad, under taxation is bad, just-right taxation is just-right".

Well as the definitions tend to be relative to a persons political persuasion-- I don't know if we could ever find where under and just right taxation would lie--but I think based on whatr we read and hear in the news--there is a pretty good consensu of what over taxation is and this country is init now based on the will of the majority.

Grasshopper359 · 04-08-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nolidad

we are not talking about taxation--but over taxation.

Over-taxation is the government of Quebec charging me income tax on my total annual income from last year when I lived and worked for the first seven months in Ontario. This makes me extremely irate. If I had known that they were going to rob me like that, I would have asked to be posted to Petawawa...