[NSJ0309]

Something happened when I tried to start a thread last week about this, but let's see if this works.

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/3577_60016_ENG_HTM.htm

Read, enjoy, tell me what you think, my fellow Anglicans!

[Andrei]

I'm glad they are taking time for healing...

However, I wonder how long this will happen:

3. ...Those of us having jurisdiction pledge to withhold consent to the consecration of any person elected to the episcopate after the date hereof until the General Convention of 2006, and we encourage the dioceses of our church to delay episcopal elections accordingly. We believe that Christian community requires us to share the burdens of such forbearance; thus it must pertain to all elections of bishops in the Episcopal Church. We recognize that this will cause hardship in some dioceses, and we commit to making ourselves available to those dioceses needing episcopal ministry.

This is also dubious:

4. ...Nevertheless, we pledge not to authorize any public rites for the blessing of same sex unions, and we will not bless any such unions, at least until the General Convention of 2006.

I'm not sure what will happen in the future. Seems like a cop-out of truth to me.

[Andrei]

Bishops Gray, Marble on House of Bishops 'Working Group' that Produced 'No Consecrations' Statement

Here's a less-than-encouraging development. In this article in The Living Church, George Conger lists the names of the bishops who signed onto the House of Bishops covenant statement that, in response to the primates' request that ECUSA impose a moratorium on the consecration of non-celibate homosexuals to the office of bishop, declared that all consecrations were now put on hold.

The leader of the move to draft this statement was none other than Bishop Gene Robinson of New Hampshire:



The initial idea, however, reportedly came from Retired Utah Bishop Otis Charles:



And which diocese was the only one represented by two bishops? That's right - Mississippi:



C. Franklin Brookhart of Montana
J. Jon Bruno of Los Angeles
Roy F. Cederholm, Jr., of Massachusetts (suffragan)
John B. Chane of Washington
Michael B. Curry of North Carolina
Clifton Daniel III of East Carolina
Philip M. Duncan II of the Central Gulf Coast
Duncan M. Gray of Mississippi
Dorsey F. Henderson, Jr., of Upper South Carolina
Bertram N. Herlong of Tennessee
Mark Hollingsworth, Jr., of Ohio
W. Michie Klusmeyer of West Virginia
John B. Lipscomb of Southwest Florida
Alfred C. Marble, Jr., of Mississippi (retired)
V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire
Stacy F. Sauls of Lexington
Catherine M. Waynick of Indianapolis
Geralyn Wolfe of Rhode Island

Why is Bishop Marble still involved in this debate? Could be he's still working on some unfinished business.

[NSJ0309]

Originally Posted by Andrei

Bishops Gray, Marble on House of Bishops 'Working Group' that Produced 'No Consecrations' Statement

While some of that is quite disheartening, I have to trust that the Holy Spirit was working at Camp Allen. Our Bishop, Don Wimberly, came away very encouraged from what I have heard, and he was one of the signers of the "minority report."

[Ridley's Own]

Ick.

I'm sorry, but the blogging at Stand Firm is only slightly above David Virtue's in terms of integretious reporting (meaning, reporting that has integrity... No pun intended).

I am considerably inclined to the conservative side, but the vitriol that the right engages in makes me sick to my stomach. Someone at Stand Firm Alabama had the poor taste to refer to Bp. Parsley as the "Lame Prince." Bad taste, considering that Bp. Parsley has a congential birth defect in his kneeds that prevents him from walking correctly.

Rich Anglican Fudge (with Nuts) Now there's a news site.

[NSJ0309]

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

Rich Anglican Fudge (with Nuts) Now there's a news site.

RAFwN is hilarious. That's just gooood satire.

[OneHope]

This is by far one of the funniest things that I have seen.

[Ridley's Own]

I watched the Charles/Camilia thing just to hear Our Leader's sonorous voice for the first time. Which, I must say, was very nice.

[OneHope]

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

I watched the Charles/Camilia thing just to hear Our Leader's sonorous voice for the first time. Which, I must say, was very nice.

Really? I've never heard his voice.

[ICTHUS]

Originally Posted by OneHope

Really? I've never heard his voice.

Why is it that all the Anglican bishops I've ever heard speak (Which, admittedly, is only two - my current bishop, the Rt. Rev. George Bruce of Kingston, and the Rt. Rev John Noble of North Queensland, have deep, sonorous voices? Is it like a prerequisite for the Episcopate?

[OneHope]

Originally Posted by ICTHUS

Why is it that all the Anglican bishops I've ever heard speak (Which, admittedly, is only two - my current bishop, the Rt. Rev. George Bruce of Kingston, and the Rt. Rev John Noble of North Queensland, have deep, sonorous voices? Is it like a prerequisite for the Episcopate?

My bishop is undeserving of his position so whenever I hear his voice I get a little annoyed.

[Ridley's Own]

Originally Posted by ICTHUS

Why is it that all the Anglican bishops I've ever heard speak (Which, admittedly, is only two - my current bishop, the Rt. Rev. George Bruce of Kingston, and the Rt. Rev John Noble of North Queensland, have deep, sonorous voices? Is it like a prerequisite for the Episcopate?

If not, it otta be. Even the female bishops have nice speaking voices.

Seminaries do talk about developing a "liturgical voice," BTW.

[NSJ0309]

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

If not, it otta be. Even the female bishops have nice speaking voices.

Seminaries do talk about developing a "liturgical voice," BTW.

So, on a totally different topic, which may require a new thread, how do you feel about "liturgical voices"? I think it's a bit silly, esp. since I've known too many priests with liturgical voices that could have been cartoon characters.

[Ridley's Own]

Originally Posted by NSJ0309

So, on a totally different topic, which may require a new thread, how do you feel about "liturgical voices"? I think it's a bit silly, esp. since I've known too many priests with liturgical voices that could have been cartoon characters.

I don't think a priest should sound like something they aren't, if that makes any sense. On the other hand, I do think that if you're going to be speaking publically, you should do things like project and open your throat and allow the sound to resonate in your sinuses and good diction and tone, etc. Basic good public speaking skills.

I once heard a priest (in my hometown, no less) say "Al-lay-loooo-yah," with pronouncing the 'Al' as "Al," like the short name of "Albert." It made me laugh, because he sounded like Margie Ison, a famous local weatherwoman in Knoxville who once "retired" after appearing drunk during a snowstorm on TV.

[NSJ0309]

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

I don't think a priest should sound like something they aren't, if that makes any sense. On the other hand, I do think that if you're going to be speaking publically, you should do things like project and open your throat and allow the sound to resonate in your sinuses and good diction and tone, etc. Basic good public speaking skills.

I once heard a priest (in my hometown, no less) say "Al-lay-loooo-yah," with pronouncing the 'Al' as "Al," like the short name of "Albert." It made me laugh, because he sounded like Margie Ison, a famous local weatherwoman in Knoxville who once "retired" after appearing drunk during a snowstorm on TV.

There's a retired priest from Beaumont who ALWAYS said the name of our Lord using about four syllables.

"Jee-YAH-zeus Chriiiist" And, he was a former smoker, so his voice was raspier than Nat King Cole's. I could never keep a straight face during the Eucharist.