[airon]

Originally Posted by cuziamthecaptai

No, not all. Native americans don't talk about Gods, they talk about spirits. The greeks and romans talked about many Gods. Monotheism is a relatively new construct.

Who said we're talking about monotheism? I was referencing the fact that every people group have some concept of a "supreme being" or "beings." Except maybe for Budhists...

Take murder for example.
Society A: murder is okay; will be rewarded.
Society B: Murder is bad; will be punished.
Society A quickly crumbles away because most people are murdered and those who aren't are too scared to stay within the socieity.
Society B lives on.
In a few generations, only society B's exist. you give me one universal truth, and I'll show you how that universal truth can be explained by simple natural selection.

That's what really sucks about evolution from a fundy perspective: not only does it explain life so we don't need a creator-myth it also explains how a creator-myth can be so popular in human socieities.

Again, you are talking about behavior. I'm not. I'm talking about a search for answers, i.e., a universal Truth.

but you'll believe in it. That's like saying

My religion is a composite of other religions, there is nothing special about my religion, other than I am current in it. My belief set is a mix of previous belief sets and I have absolutly no proof that my religion matches reality. But I was born into it, so I'm gonna keep believing in it.

Actually, no. I believe that Christianity is completely unique in its belief system, as I am currently discussing in the Need for a Saviour? thread.

[cuziamthecaptai]

Actually, I'm thinking that maybe you're right Qingu. Instead of mentioning darwinism per se, we might instead talk about chipms having a universal truth or honeybees with their social behavior.

Originally Posted by airon

Who said we're talking about monotheism? I was referencing the fact that every people group have some concept of a "supreme being" or "beings." Except maybe for Budhists...

And in shintoism, where there are minor gods but no supreme being. Dont' forget confucism. And Taoism. All four of these religions have no supreme being but rather wise leaders and life fources.

Originally Posted by airon

Again, you are talking about behavior. I'm not. I'm talking about a search for answers, i.e., a universal Truth.

Well of course people are going to search for answers. Some view a life force as the answer, some Gods, Some just one God, some naturalism.

There is a benefit in life to searching for answers to questions and fears. AFter all, is it not the great G. I. Joe who stated: "now you know, and knowing's half the battle"?

Originally Posted by airon

Actually, no. I believe that Christianity is completely unique in its belief system, as I am currently discussing in the Need for a Saviour? thread.

K, I'll check it out later.

[airon]

Originally Posted by cuziamthecaptai

And in shintoism, where there are minor gods but no supreme being. Dont' forget confucism. And Taoism. All four of these religions have no supreme being but rather wise leaders and life fources.

Touche.

Do any of these believe in the autonamy of Man?


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[Qingu]

Originally Posted by airon

Touche.

Do any of these believe in the autonamy of Man?

Can you define the autonomy of man? So far the only definition I've seen is "reasoning without presupposing the existence of a random creator-deity (e.g. Yahweh)."

[airon]

Originally Posted by Qingu

Can you define the autonomy of man? So far the only definition I've seen is "reasoning without presupposing the existence of a random creator-deity (e.g. Yahweh)."

Correct. However, I'm not abundantly knowledgable in PA. As I stand right now, I think it works for proving the existance of "a random creator-deity," not necessarily Yahweh.

I think that the validity of Christianity is proven through an internal critique of the various religions.

[Foniks]

Originally Posted by cuziamthecaptai

Um..... well much of the NT is borrowed from other cultures:

The Egyptian mythical Horus, god of light and goodness has many parallels to Jesus. [Leedom, Massey] For some examples:

Horus and the Father as one
Horus, the Father seen in the Son
Horus, light of the world, represented by the symbolical eye, the sign of salvation.
Horus served the way, the truth, the life by name and in person
Horus baptized with water by Anup (Jesus baptized with water by John)
Horus the Good Shepherd
Horus as the Lamb (Jesus as the Lamb)
Horus as the Lion (Jesus as the Lion)
Horus identified with the Tat Cross (Jesus with the cross)
The trinity of Atum the Father, Horus the Son, Ra the Holy Spirit
Horus the avenger (Jesus who brings the sword)
Horus the afflicted one
Horus as life eternal
Twelve followers of Horus as Har-Khutti (Jesus' 12 disciples)

http://members.tripod.com/~pc93/GNOSHIST.htm

I would think that if Christianity were true, then the other cultures are just misconstructions of Christianity. Just because a nonchristian culture dates written records back seemingly earlier than Christian culture, and they seem to have some similarities, doesn't necessarily mean that the Christian culture borrowed its teaching. It also doesn't mean that the nonchristian culture existed before the Christian culture.

If Christianity is what it claims, it dates back further than the nonchristian culture -- to the beginning of the earth, essentially.

[cuziamthecaptai]

Originally Posted by Foniks

I would think that if Christianity were true, then the other cultures are just misconstructions of Christianity. Just because a nonchristian culture dates written records back seemingly earlier than Christian culture, and they seem to have some similarities, doesn't necessarily mean that the Christian culture borrowed its teaching. It also doesn't mean that the nonchristian culture existed before the Christian culture.

If Christianity is what it claims, it dates back further than the nonchristian culture -- to the beginning of the earth, essentially.

So how can egyptian mythology arrise, when it predates christianity.

But I don't think were just talking about some 'seem to have similarities' I mean, you look at the entire story of Jesus and it's a carbon copy of Hora and about a half dozen other dieties. Can we assume that the first supposed diety that became a human to die for us is the one that started it all? and what happenes if Jesus isn't the first one, as many scholars contend?

[Qingu]

Originally Posted by Foniks

I would think that if Christianity were true, then the other cultures are just misconstructions of Christianity. Just because a nonchristian culture dates written records back seemingly earlier than Christian culture, and they seem to have some similarities, doesn't necessarily mean that the Christian culture borrowed its teaching. It also doesn't mean that the nonchristian culture existed before the Christian culture.

If Christianity is what it claims, it dates back further than the nonchristian culture -- to the beginning of the earth, essentially.

Same with Zelda. If the religion from the Legend of Zelda is true then all religions that resemble the religion from Zelda are shadows of the true religion. Even religions that predate Zelda from before 1987, and religions that a neutral observer would say have obviously influenced Zelda's religion, are just "misconstructions," since the truth of Zelda is eternal and predates everything.

[Qingu]

Originally Posted by airon

Correct. However, I'm not abundantly knowledgable in PA. As I stand right now, I think it works for proving the existance of "a random creator-deity," not necessarily Yahweh.

I think that the validity of Christianity is proven through an internal critique of the various religions.

Wanna give it a shot? Prove that Zelda is inconsistent.

[airon]

Originally Posted by Qingu

Wanna give it a shot? Prove that Zelda is inconsistent.

Explain to me the concepts of justice, grace, and atonement within the framework of Zelda. And then show me the text that proves your answers to be the actual teaching of said religion and not just something you made up.

[Qingu]

Originally Posted by airon

Explain to me the concepts of justice, grace, and atonement within the framework of Zelda. And then show me the text that proves your answers to be the actual teaching of said religion and not just something you made up.

It's been done; read the thread "Presuppositional Proof of Religion" on Old Apologetics.

In short:
There are no Christian concepts of justice, grace and atonement in Zelda because Christianity is a made-up religion and you need to presuppose Zelda to be true to even have a concept of justice, grace and atonement in the first place. All three concepts have their place in the balance of the three golden goddesses.

[Benny Hicks]

Originally Posted by cuziamthecaptai

So how can egyptian mythology arrise, when it predates christianity.

If Christianity is true, then it "arose" when God created the world, and hence predates all other mythologies.

Ben

[Qingu]

Originally Posted by Benny Hicks

If Christianity is true, then it "arose" when God created the world, and hence predates all other mythologies.

Ben

Replace Christianity with any mythology, conspiracy theory or wacky cult, or video game religion. Your hypothetical is meaningless unless you can actually show Christianity to be true.

[airon]

Originally Posted by Qingu

It's been done; read the thread "Presuppositional Proof of Religion" on Old Apologetics.

In short:
There are no Christian concepts of justice, grace and atonement in Zelda because Christianity is a made-up religion and you need to presuppose Zelda to be true to even have a concept of justice, grace and atonement in the first place. All three concepts have their place in the balance of the three golden goddesses.

I didn't ask for the Christian concepts of justice, grace, and atonement, I asked for the Zelda concepts of justice, grace, and atonement. You said yourself, "all three concepts have their place in the balance of the three golden goddesses." What are they?

[JerryLove]

I didn't ask for the Christian concepts of justice, grace, and atonement, I asked for the Zelda concepts of justice, grace, and atonement. You said yourself, "all three concepts have their place in the balance of the three golden goddesses." What are they?

GO read the thread he cited. It's all about him proving Zelda. It's been asked and answered at length.