Marriage

Yojimbo · 02-06-2005, 05:43 PM

If it weren't for the sex thing, do you think many people would get married early? Or at all?

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 02-06-2005, 05:49 PM

no, because the "sex thing" is a fundamental part of marriage. Much like asking if people would host pool parties without the water thing. True, most of a pool party is not in the water, but its not a pool party with no pool. marriage without sex is something other than marriage.

Chris · 02-06-2005, 05:52 PM

Marriage without sex is basically a couple of people living together. Basically a live-in friend. Not that your spouse shouldn't be your friend, but it could be comparable to "living with one of the guys".

Yojimbo · 02-06-2005, 05:54 PM

What about the concept of devoting yourself to just one person?

**Rach** · 02-06-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

no, because the "sex thing" is a fundamental part of marriage. Much like asking if people would host pool parties without the water thing. True, most of a pool party is not in the water, but its not a pool party with no pool. marriage without sex is something other than marriage.

Yeah, but it is not the only aspect of marriage. The act of commiting and devoting yourself to someone else before Christ is the fundamental aspect of marriage. If Chris and I could not have sex for whatever reason, i would still undoubtably marry him because I love him, and want to be commited to him as his wife and helpmate for the rest of our lives.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 02-06-2005, 06:29 PM

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Yeah, but it is not the only aspect of marriage. The act of commiting and devoting yourself to someone else before Christ is the fundamental aspect of marriage. If Chris and I could not have sex for whatever reason, i would still undoubtably marry him because I love him, and want to be commited to him as his wife and helpmate for the rest of our lives.

I know, read my stupid little analogy. Its just not marriage that way. A pool party without a pool is still a party, its just not a pool party.

**Rach** · 02-06-2005, 06:48 PM

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I know, read my stupid little analogy. Its just not marriage that way. A pool party without a pool is still a party, its just not a pool party.

But what about the fact that marriage is used in the New Testament as a symbol/analogy of the union of Christ with His bride, the church? It isn't (obviously) the sex that makes this analogy work, but the love and commitment that is represented in a marriage.

Chris · 02-06-2005, 07:09 PM

let's not get carried away guys, the main question (that we haven't even answered yet I don't think) was, "If it weren't for the sex thing, do you think many people would get married early? Or at all?" And in my opinion I don't think so. If people weren't so hard pressed by their desires, I don't think there'd be as many young marriages. More people would feel more comfortable to "look things over" for a while, and find their ideal spouse. Don't get me wrong, if I thought young marriage consisted of kids who were in too much of a hurry and they only wanted sex and the two weren't properly suited for each other under any circumstance, my marriage would be pretty poor off. But a lot of people, especially those fully comitted to purity before marriage, would have a lot less pressure to get married so young.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 02-06-2005, 08:21 PM

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let's not get carried away guys, the main question (that we haven't even answered yet I don't think) was, "If it weren't for the sex thing, do you think many people would get married early? Or at all?" And in my opinion I don't think so. If people weren't so hard pressed by their desires, I don't think there'd be as many young marriages. More people would feel more comfortable to "look things over" for a while, and find their ideal spouse. Don't get me wrong, if I thought young marriage consisted of kids who were in too much of a hurry and they only wanted sex and the two weren't properly suited for each other under any circumstance, my marriage would be pretty poor off. But a lot of people, especially those fully comitted to purity before marriage, would have a lot less pressure to get married so young.

All Im saying is, I think the question is impossible. The original model in Genesis includes sex, thus its just not marriage without it. Personally, I think its kind of a bogus question. My fiancee was my best friend firstly. Now, if sex were not a part, Id want to be with her. But it would not be a marriage.

**Sean** · 02-06-2005, 11:16 PM

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All Im saying is, I think the question is impossible. The original model in Genesis includes sex, thus its just not marriage without it. Personally, I think its kind of a bogus question. My fiancee was my best friend firstly. Now, if sex were not a part, Id want to be with her. But it would not be a marriage.

Exactly. We're sexual beings. You really can't take sex out of the equation because all else wouldn't be equal.

But, I do believe lots of Christians get married younger because of the sex thing. However, even that has to be taken in context. A Christians goal isn't to party for 10 years and then calm down. A Christian is looking for someone to devote their life to (part of that is sex). Its really circular.

Yojimbo · 02-06-2005, 11:33 PM

Personally, I think marriages are kind of annoying. For other people, at least. As an institution seperate from religion, I'm actually surprised it still persists.

**Sean** · 02-06-2005, 11:36 PM

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Personally, I think marriages are kind of annoying. For other people, at least. As an institution seperate from religion, I'm actually surprised it still persists.

In our modern culture it really doesn't exist. The vague tradition of marriage continues on in name, but the real idea of marriage is completely lost in our culture. With divorce rates as high as they are, I really don't think the REAL concept of marriage persists.

danalyn · 02-06-2005, 11:36 PM

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Personally, I think marriages are kind of annoying. For other people, at least. As an institution seperate from religion, I'm actually surprised it still persists.

how is marriage separate from religion? God instituted marriage. They're intwined. I don't understand this post...

oh, and as for my answer to the initial post, I agree with what Bill has said.

**Sean** · 02-06-2005, 11:38 PM

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how is marriage separate from religion? God instituted marriage. They're intwined. I don't understand this post...

oh, and as for my answer to the initial post, I agree with what Bill has said.

He's saying he's surprised that non-christians still get married to one another.

Yojimbo · 02-06-2005, 11:40 PM

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In our modern culture it really doesn't exist. The vague tradition of marriage continues on in name, but the real idea of marriage is completely lost in our culture. With divorce rates as high as they are, I really don't think the REAL concept of marriage persists.

Yeah, I just don't see why they bother. Maybe it'd be ok to marry in your thirties, when you worry of growing old alone.