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Old 01-16-2005, 04:56 PM   #16
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What is wrong with saying that Christ's death was fully sufficient, but efficient only to those who believe?
Nothing, and that is in fact what I would say. However, unless regeneration is monergistic, man plays a role in justifying himself, and most views of regeneration that accompany a doctrine of unlimited atonement are synergistic.
As for what you have said in this thread and the other, I will have to put some thought and prayer into it. I already knew I was missing a couple of things when I posted before, but they have come to me since then. For instance, I figured you would bring up the Romans verse that you brought up in the other thread in response to my comment about Christ's atonement being the sole basis of our justification.
Anyway, at the moment, I actually have a paper to write that is a month or so overdue, so I will have to wait a while to return, which will probably be for the better.

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Old 01-16-2005, 07:17 PM   #17
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What is wrong with saying that Christ's death was fully sufficient, but efficient only to those who believe?

because calvinists and arminians both believe that.
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Old 01-16-2005, 07:19 PM   #18
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Last I checked, we are all considered "workers of iniquity" under the Calvinistic worldview.

depends on how hardcore calvinist you get. Most actually seem to believe that they are born the elect and are thus born spiritually alive in the era around Calvin's life. I have heard that espoused by several reformed profesors here at Moody. (granted they are the ones who portrayed it as the view of Calvin and Beza.)
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Old 01-18-2005, 08:48 AM   #19
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God loves the whole world/all men, this is clearly evident from Scripture. I warn the Calvinists in this thread to be careful, as to state otherwise defaces one of the attributes of God clearly revealed in Scripture for the sake of one's "theology"...and it also undermines the doctrines of Common Grace and the Free Offer of the Gospel...thus turning it into hypercalvinism.
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I warn the Calvinists in this thread to be careful, as to state otherwise defaces one of the attributes of God clearly revealed in Scripture for the sake of one's "theology". ... thus turning it into hypercalvinism.
Exactly.
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Now I can't say that. Nevin doth iseth coolether.
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