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Unread 01-14-2005, 07:14 PM   #16
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Did someone buy a certain book written by a man named Keith lately?

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Unread 01-15-2005, 06:39 PM   #17
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Did someone buy a certain book written by a man named Keith lately?
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Keith Mathison's The Shape of Sola Scriptura seems to be a pretty popular book emphasizing what you said in your last post in precisely the same wording, so I took a wild guess.
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Unread 01-16-2005, 07:05 PM   #19
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Keith Mathison's The Shape of Sola Scriptura seems to be a pretty popular book emphasizing what you said in your last post in precisely the same wording, so I took a wild guess.
Dude...would it be at all possible for you to send me those books? ("The Shape of Sola Scriptura"/"Given For You")?
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It would probably be easier to order them. You can get them from Amazon, I'm sure.
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It would probably be easier to order them. You can get them from Amazon, I'm sure.
No, it wouldn't, seeing as I don't have a credit card.
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Unread 01-18-2005, 09:41 PM   #22
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Can you explain what you mean by the easy way?

I am asking to make sure I haven't taught or will not in the future teach it if it is heretical.
okay... i went back to see what they were trying to hit me on:

"Most others, when describing their belief in the godhead, actual define modalism which basically states that there is one God with three modes (or manifestations) each with a different purpose/function."

my analogies kept on doing that. then it went to the whole what 'one' (ehad) meant...then I ended up saying why "one" could mean two or three that is one (when 2 people get married they become one... using the word 'ehad'). ...i duno... it went something like that.
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A paradox is not supposed to be understood. That's the whole freaking point. We aren't supposed to understand how one can be three, or how three can be one. We're just supposed to accept it, damn it.
Agreed. In my opinion, the reason that American Christians don't have "orthodox" views on the Trinity isn't because we don't study enough theology. Rather, it's because we've placed too high a value on certainty and on knowledge: in our pride we like to think that we understand God completely, and that it is that understanding that qualifies us to be Christians. Because we insist on being able to explain and defend and comprehend God, we are uncomfortable with the paradoxes of Christianity and try to explain them away - which inevitably leads us to swing in one erroneous direction or another.
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my analogies kept on doing that. then it went to the whole what 'one' (ehad) meant...then I ended up saying why "one" could mean two or three that is one (when 2 people get married they become one... using the word 'ehad'). ...i duno... it went something like that.
Marriage isn't probably good because it tends toward separating the persons too much. Not only are they thee distinct persons, but all one in essence and nature. Their differences are in role and function, not essence.
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Agreed. In my opinion, the reason that American Christians don't have "orthodox" views on the Trinity isn't because we don't study enough theology. Rather, it's because we've placed too high a value on certainty and on knowledge: in our pride we like to think that we understand God completely, and that it is that understanding that qualifies us to be Christians. Because we insist on being able to explain and defend and comprehend God, we are uncomfortable with the paradoxes of Christianity and try to explain them away - which inevitably leads us to swing in one erroneous direction or another.
I never thought of it that way. I suppose this is another example that shows "modern evangelicalism" is just too big too fit under one generalization. I think we are both right, depending on which evangelical you ask.
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Actually, what I meant by that (and it's context within that conversation) was that the reason we don't hear from Nestorians is because the Ecumenical Church did such a good job of defending and defining orthodoxy that we don't have to think in those terms anymore. Which is both a good and bad thing. Good, because we don't have to do all that work again. Bad, because when we do have to defend orthodox Trinitarianism, we don't know how to do it.
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Hmmm, yeah, that explains a bit more the origins of the attitude I am generally seeing, though the good you described seems to be fading. Because of a lack of respect for the creeds, people seem to feel like they have to do all that work again (or just plain don't care about all that work).
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