Conversion from the RCC stories

ICTHUS · 01-12-2005, 08:55 PM

In response to the triumphalist "Conversion to the RCC" thread in the Roman Catholic forum, I thought I would establish a counter-thread in all the Protestant denominational forums. I will provide my testimony later, however, I know of at least one other former Roman Catholic Anglican on this board.

Peace of Christ,
Ryan

PacShady · 02-27-2005, 06:49 AM

Well dude, I think you'll be please to find out I'm now officially leaving the Roman Catholic Church... again.

Regarding Marian doctrine, in fact, similarly to last time. But this time, my research is setting off even MORE alarm bells than last time (if that were possible)! Not only the matter of Immaculate Conception that I've never liked the idea of, but in my journeys through cyber-space I discovered a little-mentioned doctrine the Catholcs hold that gives Mary the title of "Spouse of the Holy Spirit". This same title, apparently, also gives her the right to call herself "Deity". Ahhh... last I checked, a deity was a GOD, well it's official - Catholics now view Mary as a vicarious goddess because she's apparently MARRIED to the Holy Spirit. Couple that with "Co-redemptress and Mediatrix of All Graces blah blah blah" and the fact they have Mejugore (spelling? never knew how to spell that place) as like the Catholic version of Mecca, millions of people flocking there, why? To see Mary of course! Pfftt, who needs Jesus, I'm a Catholic I have MARY! Blech :S (they really need more emoticons here, like this one, and a sick one, among various other ones)

I'm getting out of here while I still hold onto threads of orthodoxy! Although, I won't be going to Good Shepard until they have Sunday evening services, instead I may be going to St Luke's Anglican Church. But yes, the Catholic Church has drawn the line with me, just remind me of that in case I ever get the urge to go back there.

God Bless

'Shady

ICTHUS · 02-27-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PacShady

I'm getting out of here while I still hold onto threads of orthodoxy! Although, I won't be going to Good Shepard until they have Sunday evening services, instead I may be going to St Luke's Anglican Church. But yes, the Catholic Church has drawn the line with me, just remind me of that in case I ever get the urge to go back there.

God Bless

'Shady

St. Luke's? Where's that? Who's the Rector?

PacShady · 02-27-2005, 08:40 PM

Not sure who the Rector is, actually never knew it existed, except for a list of churches I have here. It's in McLeod St though. I don't know if I will go there yet, or if I'll stay at that one, or else I might try St Margarets instead (Fr George Markotsis, Aumuller St).

'Shady

goldenchild · 03-08-2005, 01:39 AM

You really didn't do all that much study, did you? It shows in you're post...

PacShady · 03-08-2005, 01:50 AM

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You really didn't do all that much study, did you? It shows in you're post...

Then can you prove to me that your Pope did NOT, in fact, refer to Mary as the Spouse of the Holy Spirit on at least two occasions? Because I've got the proof that he did, on the Vatican's own website.

And despite what you say, the vast number of Catholics that hold Mary to this regard does little to prove that Satan has not in fact infiltrated your church.

'Shady

goldenchild · 03-08-2005, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PacShady

Then can you prove to me that your Pope did NOT, in fact, refer to Mary as the Spouse of the Holy Spirit on at least two occasions? Because I've got the proof that he did, on the Vatican's own website.

This is what I'm talking about. You don't understand that not everything the Pope says is to be held by all Catholics. I personally do believe that Mary is the spouse of the Holy Spirit. However you make a fallacious(not to mention illogical) jump and say that this makes her a deity... What reasoning do you use for this?

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And despite what you say, the vast number of Catholics that hold Mary to this regard does little to prove that Satan has not in fact infiltrated your church.

'Shady

Which Catholics? Find me someone that understands their faith and believes that Mary is a deity.

PacShady · 03-08-2005, 02:03 AM

http://www.shoal.net.au/~mwoa/docume...y_of_mary.html

As for "Which Catholics" have gone overboard with Mary? Well just go visit Mejugorie sometime, there's loads of them there. But then again, if we look at the Bible, we can safely say that all the Catholics that go overboard with Mary are all the ones who believe she was free of sin. Whoops, that's every last one!

goldenchild · 03-08-2005, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PacShady

http://www.shoal.net.au/~mwoa/docume...y_of_mary.html

Sorry man. But I've already seen that site and it has been discussed on this board before. Everything the site claims is a hoax and has never been endorsed by the Church. You'll need to find something way more reputable than that.

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Originally Posted by PacShady

As for "Which Catholics" have gone overboard with Mary? Well just go visit Mejugorie sometime, there's loads of them there.

I know people who've been there. Explain to me how they are worshipping her.

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Originally Posted by PacShady

But then again, if we look at the Bible, we can safely say that all the Catholics that go overboard with Mary are all the ones who believe she was free of sin. Whoops, that's every last one!

Well then I guess you haven't read you're Bible well enough(cheap shot for cheap shot

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goldenchild · 03-08-2005, 02:29 AM

This probably should be taken to pm if you want to continue, or in a restricted discussion thread in theology. It really is kind of off-topic.

PacShady · 03-08-2005, 02:34 AM

If it's not Catholic, then why is an officially ordained Catholic priest, with the blessing of the Pope, saying these things? And then why is he still a priest if he's teaching incorrect doctrines?

As for the Bible, let's look what it has to say about sin:

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23)

There is no one righteous, not even one. (Romans 3:10)

What is man, that he could be pure,
or one born of woman, that he could be righteous?

If God places no trust in his holy ones,
if even the heavens are not pure in his eyes,

how much less man, who is vile and corrupt,
who drinks up evil like water! (Job 15:14-16)

How then can a man be righteous before God?
How can one born of woman be pure? (Job 25:4)

There is not a righteous man on earth
who does what is right and never sins. (Ecclesiastes 7:20)

These would seem to point to the fact that ALL are under the stain of sin. To say otherwise is a contradiction of God's unchanging Word.

And what does Mary say about herself?

And Mary said:

"My soul glorifies the Lord
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior." (Luke 1:47)

Mary here gives thanks to her Savior, Jesus Christ. If she was free of sin, she would not NEED a Savior, because God would see her as righteous already, and thus Jesus' sacrifice was utterly pointless for her, because she would have been expempt from original sin.

Not to mention the Catholic Church's view of Mary as Mediatrix of the Church, I think the Bible is clear on this one too:

For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. (1 Timothy 2:5)

Don't get me wrong, I see a need for Tradition in the Church, however these traditions and other such ones the Catholic's hold onto are clearly against Scripture and one would have to be blind not to see that. But then again, the Reformations DID happen for a reason, the Catholic's just took it as the wrong reason.

'Shady

PacShady · 03-08-2005, 02:36 AM

I'd prefer to stay on the forum with debates, however yes I do agree that this is going off topic. We should carry this on again in Theology under a new topic.

If a mod wants to split this topic? Otherwise we can just open a new one in Theology.

goldenchild · 03-08-2005, 04:12 PM

Well seeing as how you like to jump onto a whole bunch of different topics at the same time I'd prefer a restricted discussion. I'll start one in Theology. If you want to join then it will be there.