[milkshake]

Originally Posted by ICTHUS

John, do you believe Saint Paul was joking in Galatians 1?

that basically sums it up perfectly Galatians 1 that is as well as THE WHOLE REST OF THE BIBLE

If Mary died while giving birth to Jesus basically nothing would of changed!The Lord God is Sovereign!!

[ICTHUS]

[dead thread revival]that basically sums it up perfectly Galatians 1 that is as well as THE WHOLE REST OF THE BIBLE

If Mary died while giving birth to Jesus basically nothing would of changed!The Lord God is Sovereign!![/dead thread revival]

[milkshake]

well not exactly this but a pile of evidence this is the icing on the cake

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/banned.htm

Peace Love and Gods incorruptable and infallible word

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by Mathaytace ><>

The whole concept behind this thread I find ugly in the first place.

A little too tolerant are we?

[milkshake]

http://www.scionofzion.com/foxe.htm

Why do people forget the past?
Ancient Rome tried to get rid of the Christians by feeding them to the lions

[catholicpriest]

Originally Posted by milkshake

http://www.scionofzion.com/foxe.htm

Why do people forget the past?
Ancient Rome tried to get rid of the Christians by feeding them to the lions

Yeah... that was pagan Rome, not Christian Rome.

[catholicpriest]

Originally Posted by PacShady

Well dude, I think you'll be please to find out I'm now officially leaving the Roman Catholic Church... again.

Regarding Marian doctrine, in fact, similarly to last time. But this time, my research is setting off even MORE alarm bells than last time (if that were possible)! Not only the matter of Immaculate Conception that I've never liked the idea of, but in my journeys through cyber-space I discovered a little-mentioned doctrine the Catholcs hold that gives Mary the title of "Spouse of the Holy Spirit". This same title, apparently, also gives her the right to call herself "Deity". Ahhh... last I checked, a deity was a GOD, well it's official - Catholics now view Mary as a vicarious goddess because she's apparently MARRIED to the Holy Spirit. Couple that with "Co-redemptress and Mediatrix of All Graces blah blah blah" and the fact they have Mejugore (spelling? never knew how to spell that place) as like the Catholic version of Mecca, millions of people flocking there, why? To see Mary of course! Pfftt, who needs Jesus, I'm a Catholic I have MARY! Blech :S (they really need more emoticons here, like this one, and a sick one, among various other ones)

I'm getting out of here while I still hold onto threads of orthodoxy! Although, I won't be going to Good Shepard until they have Sunday evening services, instead I may be going to St Luke's Anglican Church. But yes, the Catholic Church has drawn the line with me, just remind me of that in case I ever get the urge to go back there.

God Bless

'Shady

When it comes to the Catholic Church, you really need to know the official teaching. Don't leave the Church over what a bunch of wackos believe. The Church is full of people who believe crazy stuff that is in fact condemned by the Magisterium. We need good people to stay in the Church and fight the creeping heresies, not bail-out on us when the going gets tough.

As far as Mary being the Spouse of the Holy Spirit: This is an honorary title. It doesn't mean that Mary is actually married to the Holy Spirit. It comes from Luke's Gospel. Mary conceived Jesus in her womb by the power of the Holy Spirit. That makes Mary the spouse of the Holy Spirit. It's not meant to be taken literally, and it's certainly not a doctrine of the Faith. I don't know why anyone would leave the Church over something so inconsequential as a Marian title.

Also, nobody that I know thinks of Mary as a deity. I'm not saying that there aren't some nuts out there who do. I met a woman in a Boston T-station (Government Center Station) who called herself, "Mother Moreno." She said that she was a mystic and she had her followers handing out flyers in the station. What a whack-job she was! You can't judge the Catholic Church by the crazies that call it home though.

Our Lord promised St. Peter that the gates of Hell would never prevail against the Church. He did not, however, say that the gates of Hell would not try to prevail against the Church. The Church has always and will always have to deal with heretics within its midst. But don't let the heretics turn you into a schismatic. A lot of the language that you are objecting to is not theological or didactic language. It is devotional and poetic language spoken out of love for Mary - it's not official Church teaching.

[Mathaytace ><>]

Originally Posted by Cadence

A little too tolerant are we?

HA!

On another forum I frequent I am viewed as intolerant and a burden to anglicanism for my Conservative beliefs.

I have my issues with Rome, but I will not imply they are not a Christian Church.