[mattslope]

I have a desire to study up on real love. Odd? No.

I read through, finding some pretty crazy imagery (dove eyes, sheep teeth, goat hair, etc). I find those bits mildly funny, but I completely see the emotion behind the words.

Then, I see "Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires." It is in there 3 times (2:7, 3:5 and 8:4).

I am praying right now that God will show me what is meant. I see a few possibilities:

-No sex until marriage.
-Don't look for love, let it come on its own.
-Don't find love where it isn't.

Any thoughts?

[la_meteo]

Originally Posted by mattslope

I have a desire to study up on real love. Odd? No.

I read through, finding some pretty crazy imagery (dove eyes, sheep teeth, goat hair, etc). I find those bits mildly funny, but I completely see the emotion behind the words.

Then, I see "Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires." It is in there 3 times (2:7, 3:5 and 8:4).

I am praying right now that God will show me what is meant. I see a few possibilities:

-No sex until marriage.
-Don't look for love, let it come on its own.
-Don't find love where it isn't.

Any thoughts?

My version says "...ye stir not up, nor awaken MY love til HE please." So I thought it was the wife telling everyone to let her husband rest and not wake him up.

[mattslope]

Was your version written on a stone tablet? JK

Interesting. What if my translation is off...

[Sean]

...I'm not certain who SoloMAN is, but I'll give my take anyway.

Originally Posted by mattslope

I have a desire to study up on real love. Odd? No.

I read through, finding some pretty crazy imagery (dove eyes, sheep teeth, goat hair, etc). I find those bits mildly funny, but I completely see the emotion behind the words.

Then, I see "Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires." It is in there 3 times (2:7, 3:5 and 8:4).

I am praying right now that God will show me what is meant. I see a few possibilities:

-No sex until marriage.
-Don't look for love, let it come on its own.
-Don't find love where it isn't.

Any thoughts?

I was always told that this was talking about sexual arousal. Kissing itself carries no inherent sinful value, but when you start making out with your girlfriend you arouse a passion that cannot be righteously fullfilled outside of marriage (unless you're doing it wrong ). This verse would be teaching DON'T arouse a passion that can not be righteously fullfilled. ...at least thats what I was talk growing up.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mattslope

Was your version written on a stone tablet? JK

Interesting. What if my translation is off...

...lets Biblegateway it....


New International Version (NIV)

7 Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you
by the gazelles and by the does of the field:
Do not arouse or awaken love
until it so desires.


English Standard Version (ESV)

7 I adjure you,[a] O daughters of Jerusalem,
by the gazelles or the does of the field,
that you not stir up or awaken love
until it pleases.


New American Standard Bible (NASB)

7"[a]I (A)adjure you, O (B)daughters of Jerusalem,
By the (C)gazelles or by the (D)hinds of the field,
(E)That you do not arouse or awaken my love
Until she pleases."


King James Version (KJV)

7 I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, till he please.


Icelandic Bible (ICELAND)

7Ég særi yður, Jerúsalemdætur, við skógargeiturnar, eða við hindirnar í haganum: Vekið ekki, vekið ekki elskuna, fyrr en hún sjálf vill.


.....and they all say different things (it, he, she, hun)

[mattslope]

Interesting by more. What do you guys/gals/penguins think?

[JesUSAves]

NLT (New Living Translation) says
"I want you to promise, O women of Jerusalem, not to awaken love until the time is right."

I believe that it means
a) don't stir up sexual passion or arousal until marriage
b) don't rush into/through a relationship; don't get ahead of God's timing in any part of the relationship
c) you won't be able to appreciate what God has for you unless you wait till the time is right

My Bible has a note in it that uses the analogy of a little kid with a car- you can give a 7-year-old the keys to a car, but he can't drive safely or understand how a car works until he is older. Likewise, you can arouse sexual passion at almost any time, but it won't be safe or understood until the relationship is first built firmly on commitment and love and sealed with the vows of marriage.

[mattslope]

Originally Posted by JesUSAves

NLT (New Living Translation) says
"I want you to promise, O women of Jerusalem, not to awaken love until the time is right."

I believe that it means
a) don't stir up sexual passion or arousal until marriage
b) don't rush into/through a relationship; don't get ahead of God's timing in any part of the relationship
c) you won't be able to appreciate what God has for you unless you wait till the time is right

My Bible has a note in it that uses the analogy of a little kid with a car- you can give a 7-year-old the keys to a car, but he can't drive safely or understand how a car works until he is older. Likewise, you can arouse sexual passion at almost any time, but it won't be safe or understood until the relationship is first built firmly on commitment and love and sealed with the vows of marriage.

Nice.

Would you feel more comfortable knowing that your futur mate was chaste or hedonistic in physical lust?

[Casey]

Originally Posted by JesUSAves

NLT (New Living Translation) says
"I want you to promise, O women of Jerusalem, not to awaken love until the time is right."

I believe that it means
a) don't stir up sexual passion or arousal until marriage
b) don't rush into/through a relationship; don't get ahead of God's timing in any part of the relationship
c) you won't be able to appreciate what God has for you unless you wait till the time is right

My Bible has a note in it that uses the analogy of a little kid with a car- you can give a 7-year-old the keys to a car, but he can't drive safely or understand how a car works until he is older. Likewise, you can arouse sexual passion at almost any time, but it won't be safe or understood until the relationship is first built firmly on commitment and love and sealed with the vows of marriage.

Gah, that's crazy. I'm not married, and I know how to correctly have sexual intercourse, and please the person I love.

[mattslope]

Originally Posted by Casey

Gah, that's crazy. I'm not married, and I know how to correctly have sexual intercourse, and please the person I love.

*edit* My response was snide, rude and arrogant. I did not represent love. Casey, I apologize. Sincerely, I regret my attitude toward you. Please forgive me.

[Casey]

You mean imply that I'm a virgin? Sorry if I did that - I am not.

And from a non-Christian to a Christian, your biting attitude sure doesn't make me want to be a Christian.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Casey

And from a non-Christian to a Christian, your biting attitude sure doesn't make me want to be a Christian.

Since denouncing Christianity you've clearly shown bitterness towards our beliefs. As best as I can tell, your entire point in posting in every serious thread is merely to be contrary. You aren't there to learn, ask real questions, or provide an alternative perspective. You just want to stir the pot. Your initial post in this thread is a perfect example of that. No one asked if you could satifsy your woman in bed. That really isn't in question here. The purpose of your post was just to be contrary and call someone's opinion crazy. ...who really has the "biting attitude" here?

[mattslope]

Casey is right, I was very rude.

[Casey]

Originally Posted by Sean

Since denouncing Christianity you've clearly shown bitterness towards our beliefs. As best as I can tell, your entire point in posting in every serious thread is merely to be contrary. You aren't there to learn, ask real questions, or provide an alternative perspective. You just want to stir the pot. Your initial post in this thread is a perfect example of that. No one asked if you could satifsy your woman in bed. That really isn't in question here. The purpose of your post was just to be contrary and call someone's opinion crazy. ...who really has the "biting attitude" here?

What you're saying is simply ridiculous. I can't believe you really just said that the only reason I'm posting is to "stir the pot." All you've done is made yourself look like an ass, because I can tell you, from the horse's mouth, that you are wrong.

My post in this thread was a response to this:

My Bible has a note in it that uses the analogy of a little kid with a car- you can give a 7-year-old the keys to a car, but he can't drive safely or understand how a car works until he is older. Likewise, you can arouse sexual passion at almost any time, but it won't be safe or understood until the relationship is first built firmly on commitment and love and sealed with the vows of marriage.

I spoke up because I entirely disagree with that.

Apology accepted mattslope.

Case

[mattslope]

Originally Posted by Casey

My post in this thread was a response to this:

I spoke up because I entirely disagree with that.

Apology accepted mattslope.

Case

I see where we disagree. I would argue that being able to bring pleasure (again I assume through orgasm/orgasms) is only one facet of sex. If I am assuming incorrectly, then please correct me.

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Gah, that's crazy. I'm not married, and I know how to correctly have sexual intercourse, and please the person I love.