[mattslope]

I'm 30 now!

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Art

Shut it. I'll be 30 in June.

You need to blare the song under my name and wear a wallet chain, like you are 28.

At least, I am going to be blaring that when I turn 29 next year.

[Art]

Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

You need to blare the song under my name and wear a wallet chain, like you are 28.

At least, I am going to be blaring that when I turn 29 next year.

I do. Often.

[Tallahassee]

A snippet from a CPF project that I am working on....

[Tallahassee]

I really should remember more often why I do not read Current Events. *sigh*

For the record, I am totally against the healthcare bill, and socialized healthcare. I also am appalled by the arguments that some people put up just because they think they are right.

I think I will go spend some money and do my part to support Capitalism.


*feels conservative and republican*

[BillSPrestonEsq]

Originally Posted by Tallahassee

I really should remember more often why I do not read Current Events. *sigh*

For the record, I am totally against the healthcare bill, and socialized healthcare. I also am appalled by the arguments that some people put up just because they think they are right.

I think I will go spend some money and do my part to support Capitalism.


*feels conservative and republican*

w00t! There are at least 2 of us!

[Tallahassee]

I was doing one of my weekend pastimes earlier today(perusing craigslist) when I noticed a "for free" ad pop up. An old Total Gym, out on a curb. Happened to be near my neighbourhood. So I jumped in the truck, and I was the first one there. My garage-gym:

[Gustin]

Not to turn this political, but I'd love to hear more on your views (both you)... I'm unsure of my stance on the issue (I think the system is horribly broken, but I don't think the current proposed solutions are good options either). The problem is both sides are so horribly entrenched it's hard to get a good logical discussion out of them before it breaks down into name calling and flame wars. Living in TN it's pretty hard to get a solid opinion from people without it turning into an Obama hate-fest.

So yeah, if you don't mind sharing, I'd love to hear it.

[Tallahassee]

Originally Posted by Gustin

Not to turn this political, but I'd love to hear more on your views (both you)... I'm unsure of my stance on the issue (I think the system is horribly broken, but I don't think the current proposed solutions are good options either). The problem is both sides are so horribly entrenched it's hard to get a good logical discussion out of them before it breaks down into name calling and flame wars. Living in TN it's pretty hard to get a solid opinion from people without it turning into an Obama hate-fest.

So yeah, if you don't mind sharing, I'd love to hear it.

I'm sure Bill has some pretty first hand reasons, and some differing ones than mine, being that his wife is in the healthcare industry.

But for me, there are a few.

Government spending. With our deficit the way it is I see no reason to be spending more money that we don't have other places. And the costs for this will be much much higher than they estimate. Things like this always are. When Britain installed their "universal healthcare" system, it ran something like 50 million pounds over what they predicted. And that was back in the late 40's.....

Government control. Personally, I prefer things be handled by the private sector. Pretty much across the board. In my opinion, you get what you pay for. Quality service in any industry should be rewarded. I prefer paying a premium price for a guitar that I know was made by a superior craftsmen.

Taxes. Honestly, I am somewhat angry that I may have to pay more to cover everyone else. I have health insurance. Good coverage, with the majority of it being paid for by my employer. I am a good worker, and have worked very hard to make it with this company. I feel that my hard work justifies my coverage, and my pay. Also, the proposed tax surcharge for people who make more than $500k. Why should they have to pay an additional 5% so that everyone else can benefit? Is it necessarily fair that someone who makes less has less opportunity? No, but then again I do not believe that life is fair. I think if someone makes more than $500k they have every much as much right to it as I do to my $35k.

And that all isn't even mentioning things like doctor quality. Look at the state of public shool systems. How fun is it going to be when some doctors end up like some of our teachers? Disinterested and uncaring because they don't make any more or less no matter what their performance is.


And the way people think that the government is responsible for taking care of us. I really feel in general it is a sign of how little self responsibility we have as a nation and a people.


I don't know. That's all I have right now.

[Gustin]

Originally Posted by Tallahassee

I'm sure Bill has some pretty first hand reasons, and some differing ones than mine, being that his wife is in the healthcare industry.

But for me, there are a few.

Government spending. With our deficit the way it is I see no reason to be spending more money that we don't have other places. And the costs for this will be much much higher than they estimate. Things like this always are. When Britain installed their "universal healthcare" system, it ran something like 50 million pounds over what they predicted. And that was back in the late 40's.....

Government control. Personally, I prefer things be handled by the private sector. Pretty much across the board. In my opinion, you get what you pay for. Quality service in any industry should be rewarded. I prefer paying a premium price for a guitar that I know was made by a superior craftsmen.

Taxes. Honestly, I am somewhat angry that I may have to pay more to cover everyone else. I have health insurance. Good coverage, with the majority of it being paid for by my employer. I am a good worker, and have worked very hard to make it with this company. I feel that my hard work justifies my coverage, and my pay. Also, the proposed tax surcharge for people who make more than $500k. Why should they have to pay an additional 5% so that everyone else can benefit? Is it necessarily fair that someone who makes less has less opportunity? No, but then again I do not believe that life is fair. I think if someone makes more than $500k they have every much as much right to it as I do to my $35k.

So one of the biggest issues is with cost and spending? I can dig that.

One of my biggest problems is when it comes to small businesses (10 employees or less) or self employed/freelance. Right now I work freelance (as that's one of the only ways to work in my industry). For me to get health coverage would be well over half my monthly income (by well over I mean close to double) as I don't enjoy the benefits of a larger corporation covering the extra or the advantage of group pays. I work very hard, and being a freelancer is anything but easy, so dealing with extremely large insurance premiums simply because that's the way my industry works is a little disheartening (most in my industry will hop on their spouses coverage... being unmarried makes this a little tough for me though ).

(I'm currently a student as well, so I'm still covered under my parent's coverage, but that's not gonna be that way for much longer).

I'd be willing to pay a little extra for coverage from a private insurance, but I can't afford 3-4x more (or more in some cases) as your average person.

If insurance companies would address this issue, and quit changing coverage on people without warning I'd be much more a fan of the current system.

And that all isn't even mentioning things like doctor quality. Look at the state of public shool systems. How fun is it going to be when some doctors end up like some of our teachers? Disinterested and uncaring because they don't make any more or less no matter what their performance is.

Again, I can dig this reasoning.

And the way people think that the government is responsible for taking care of us. I really feel in general it is a sign of how little self responsibility we have as a nation and a people.

And that's one of my biggest reasons against a government plan.


Again, I'm not trying to turn your blog into politics central or start a debate, I just truly want some honest opinions and rational thought on this. Thanks.

[Tallahassee]

Originally Posted by Gustin

So one of the biggest issues is with cost and spending? I can dig that.

One of my biggest problems is when it comes to small businesses (10 employees or less) or self employed/freelance. Right now I work freelance (as that's one of the only ways to work in my industry). For me to get health coverage would be well over half my monthly income (by well over I mean close to double) as I don't enjoy the benefits of a larger corporation covering the extra or the advantage of group pays. I work very hard, and being a freelancer is anything but easy, so dealing with extremely large insurance premiums simply because that's the way my industry works is a little disheartening (most in my industry will hop on their spouses coverage... being unmarried makes this a little tough for me though ).

(I'm currently a student as well, so I'm still covered under my parent's coverage, but that's not gonna be that way for much longer).

I'd be willing to pay a little extra for coverage from a private insurance, but I can't afford 3-4x more (or more in some cases) as your average person.

If insurance companies would address this issue, and quit changing coverage on people without warning I'd be much more a fan of the current system.



Again, I can dig this reasoning.



And that's one of my biggest reasons against a government plan.


Again, I'm not trying to turn your blog into politics central or start a debate, I just truly want some honest opinions and rational thought on this. Thanks.

No problem, it's nice to talk with someone about it who isn't flaming for one side or the other.

Cost and spending are my two biggest complaints with government in general. I am not opposed to taxes, I think they are necessary and work very well. I would even be willing to pay more IF the government were spending it in a proper manner.

I would support a universal healthcare plan if the government were smaller, less paid, and we had the money to spend.

[Art]

You wouldn't have to pay more taxes if the government spent properly.

[Tallahassee]

Originally Posted by Art

You wouldn't have to pay more taxes if the government spent properly.

Exactly.

And if we knew they were spending properly, I would not have problems with them saying, "Hey, we're gonna start up a proper healthcare system. For the next two years we're gonna have an additional 1% added on to take care of the start-up costs so we don't get behind....."

[Gustin]

Yeah, but that would make too much sense.

[bravesfan007]

Such deep posts recently in here. It feels so less....I don't know.....cheap.

Oh well, such is life?

I'm a little bit ticked off because the bill passed. I think in some cases like this, there should be more than just 218 votes required to pass a measure, but I realize that's how we're set up and also that we cannot set the measure by every single piece of legislation that's proposed.