mormonism

**+Donny** · 10-16-2001, 10:29 PM

I know a mormon, how do I refute his claims?

Nate · 10-16-2001, 10:31 PM

Any specific claims that you want to refute??? Sorry, don't know too much about mormonism.... you're gonna have to spell it out a little more than that if I'm gonna be able to help you!

SccHarpGirl · 10-16-2001, 10:35 PM

Are you trying to convert him, or is he trying to convert you? Or are you just debating for fun?

That all needs to be known

**+Donny** · 10-16-2001, 10:38 PM

my friend is a christian

her friend(my acquaintance) is a mormon, my christian friend needs some info, general refuting stuff, if u guys have links or something

Luke · 10-16-2001, 11:12 PM

Donny,
I can help you refute specific claims of Mormonism on an as-needed basis, I know enough about it. But that's really all I can do.

(I will post to all the other threads later--I need to run an errand)

**+Donny** · 10-17-2001, 10:09 PM

hmm, well, how should I tell my friend to start it out?

Nate · 10-17-2001, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Donny
hmm, well, how should I tell my friend to start it out?

Tell her to start with the gospel, rather than just trying to refute claim after claim. Bashing someone's beliefs is NOWHERE near as effective as defending yours. Preach Christ crucified!!

Chrysostom · 10-18-2001, 02:00 AM

STRAIGHT UP, KF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO AGREE WITH YOU MORE!!!!!!!!!

donny - first, just love them. Second, here is one main thing i have a problem with about Mormons: Ask why they believe the book of Mormon takes precedence over the Bible. Ask who wrote the book and why they believe it. From, there it's going to be REALLY easy.

**+Donny** · 10-18-2001, 05:42 PM

hmm, kay, ill tell her to start with it, he is pretty smart, she I dont think knows much about it,

waflhouse · 10-18-2001, 05:56 PM

One great book is Cult Watch. I can't remember who wrote it, but it simply lines out the ideas withing mormonism, and gives concrete ways of refuting the evidence they give.

Second, watch the God Makers. It's kind of old, but most churches might have it. It takes the view of former mormons, now Christians, and why they got out of the church. It also interviews prominent mormon individuals to get their take.

Study, STudy, STudy, and Pray, Pray Pray!!!

Nate · 10-18-2001, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by Donny
hmm, kay, ill tell her to start with it, he is pretty smart, she I dont think knows much about it,

What is "it" here??? The Gospel??? If so.... WHOA!!

If he (the Mormon, right?) is "pretty smart" regarding "it", and she (the friend?) doesn't "know much about" "it".... I'd have to say she's in a very dangerous position. If you don't "know much" about the Gospel, you need to stop worrying about refuting other people's beliefs and re-evaluate your own. She'll be in deep crap if she tries to defend her beliefs when she doesn't know anything about them..... the fact that he IS knowledgable about them won't help either... he'll know exactly how to shut her down, and she WON'T know how to reply. Sooo... my advice has just totally changed..... tell her to try to treat him with love (as must said).... and then, tell her to go study the Bible and find out what she believes......then at least she'll know what she's defending.

**+Donny** · 10-18-2001, 11:34 PM

"If he (the Mormon, right?) is "pretty smart" regarding "it", and she (the friend?) doesn't "know much about" "it".... I'd have to say she's in a very dangerous position. If you don't "know much" about the Gospel, you need to stop worrying about refuting other people's beliefs and re-evaluate your own. She'll be in deep crap if she tries to defend her beliefs when she doesn't know anything about them..... the fact that he IS knowledgable about them won't help either... he'll know exactly how to shut her down, and she WON'T know how to reply. Sooo... my advice has just totally changed..... tell her to try to treat him with love (as must said).... and then, tell her to go study the Bible and find out what she believes......then at least she'll know what she's defending."

umm, 1)i meant debate, she isnt too good at debate it looks, and im not sure about bibli knowledge
2)No clue about the morman, I know he is smart in general

Luke · 10-19-2001, 01:43 AM

Mormons are debating machines, and I don't reccomend debating them unless you are good at debate, know the Gospel inside and out, have at least some working knowledge of Mormonism or have a source to refer to (Mormons will debate you across multiple sessions if you invite them back, and there is no shame in saying that you need to research something), and are also able to debate in a loving manner (note that debating in a loving manner does not presuppose debating like a weakling as many people here assume). Remember, your ultimate goal is to win them to Christ.

And if they don't come to Christ but you still beat them badly enough, you may end up being blacklisted. If so, you did a good job, being blacklisted is hard to do.

Revolution · 10-19-2001, 04:30 AM

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Originally posted by lukesneeringer

And if they don't come to Christ but you still beat them badly enough, you may end up being blacklisted. If so, you did a good job, being blacklisted is hard to do.

What exactly does blacklisting entail? Sounds intriguing...

shephard_pie · 10-19-2001, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by lukesneeringer
Mormons are debating machines

Although this is certainly the case most of the time, I have found exceptions. One such time was this past August. Two Mormon men on their "mission trip" were on the college's campus and when I was crossing the mall they asked how I was doing. Well, being friendly and thinking they were lost or something I responded and soon they initiated their attempt to convert me to Mormonism. After only a few minutes it became quite clear that they were not at all able to defend their beliefs so I stopped defending mine and started trying to convert them. After about a half hour they had given up and left. These two guys could not quote more than a couple verses and didn't have answers to my questions about their beliefs or to my defence of Christianity.

All in all, however, if you are going to pick a fight with a Mormon, be ready. Knowledge in the Bible and of at least the general ideas of mormonism are very important. Have grown up with my mother's side of the family in a mormon off-shoot has helped me a lot.

Good luck, Donny, I will be praying for you.