mormonism

Luke · 10-19-2001, 12:57 PM

Whoa, I've never heard any story like that before. Got a couple Mormons who flunked, it seems...

**+Donny** · 10-19-2001, 04:50 PM

yeah, most of them are very stubborn, talked to one that didnt know mucha few years ago, he just was stubborn, he didnt argue very good

reb0rn · 10-19-2001, 11:56 PM

i live in salt lake city, the center of mormonism, and my friend took this class called "bridges: bridging the gap. . ." er. . .cant remember the title. . .anyhoo, its a class on how to relate to mormons and show them theyre stuff is funky. he told me they say not to argue about doctrinal stuff, cause that just make people defensive, you just gotta show them love and then. .i. ..dont know. . .hmm. . .umm. . .this was a useless post. . .er. . .he said they really love personal experience stories so that might be a way to connect with 'em . . .

Luke · 10-20-2001, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by reb0rn
he told me they say not to argue about doctrinal stuff, cause that just make people defensive

Sounds like not that good of a course.

Phil · 10-20-2001, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by lukesneeringer

And if they don't come to Christ but you still beat them badly enough, you may end up being blacklisted. If so, you did a good job, being blacklisted is hard to do.

What is this, luke?

Nate · 10-20-2001, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by fillup07
What is this, luke?

My guess would be some sort of (real or imagined) list the officials of the Mormon church make. Maybe of people that they want to target.... or stay away from.

Luke · 10-20-2001, 03:55 PM

It's a real list, the Mormon church in each city keeps a list of houses that their missionaries are not to go to for fear that those missionaries will be converted.

Nate · 10-20-2001, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by lukesneeringer
It's a real list, the Mormon church in each city keeps a list of houses that their missionaries are not to go to for fear that those missionaries will be converted.

HAH!! One of my guesses was right!!!

Does the general Mormon population know about this list??? It seems that making the list WOULD be a very cool thing indeed!

Luke · 10-20-2001, 04:01 PM

I don't think most Mormons are aware of that (it can't be good for PR). They're just told when they go to a particular place to skip house x. I'm not sure about that, though.

You'll know if you make the list. Generally, it will be after debating an elderly Mormon (church official) and they will normally say something along the likes of "Thank you, sir, we will NEVER EVER bother you again."

Then you see those guys in white hitting your next door neighbors and skipping you.

Ivoryguy · 10-20-2001, 04:16 PM

If you want to REALLY stir things up, read them this verse from the Bible. It is Hebrews 1:1.

"In the past God spoke to out forefathers throught the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe."

Basically it says that in the past God sent prophets, but but ever since he sent Jesus, he didn't need to send any more prophets because everything was revealed through him. The mormons believe Joseph Smith was a prophet, but this verse says that there will be no more prophets because God sent Jesus.

Also, I don't know the exact reference to this, but in the Bible it says that scripture is complete and does not need to be added to. Therefore, there is no use for the Book of Mormon.

Nate · 10-20-2001, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Ivoryguy
If you want to REALLY stir things up, read them this verse from the Bible. It is Hebrews 1:1.

Well.... looks like things are about to get "stirred up"!

Don't get offended by any of this, please.

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"In the past God spoke to out forefathers throught the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe."

Basically it says that in the past God sent prophets, but but ever since he sent Jesus, he didn't need to send any more prophets because everything was revealed through him. The mormons believe Joseph Smith was a prophet, but this verse says that there will be no more prophets because God sent Jesus.

It doesn't say that there will never be any more prophets!!! All it says is that God sent Jesus and that God has spoken through Him. I don't see how you can get off saying that "there will be no more prophets". Mind if I "stir things up" a little myself?? Check this out....

Acts 15:32
Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the brothers.

1 Corinthians 12:28a
And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets...

There appear to be, at least in SOME sense of the word, prophets in the church AFTER Christ had come!!! It even says that God appointed some to be prophets!! Now.... am I saying that we should listen to anyone who comes and claims to be a prophet of God??? Of course not!! But rather, as it is written in 1 John 4, we ought to see whether they are false prophets or not.

Ephesians 2:19-20
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

In conclusion... I think that there are more than likely still prophets in this day and age.... however, Christ Jesus has become the "chief cornerstone" of the church. We no longer need to base our theology and our ideas about God solely on what prophets reveal to us..... we have "seen" God in the flesh. Now there is "one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5)

ottis · 10-20-2001, 04:36 PM

i find this all very interesting since i met my first morman today. The guy taking my senior pictures is a morman. He was real nice and all but I'd kinda like to know more about it. Keep the info coming.

Luke · 10-20-2001, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by KeyboardFreak
Ephesians 2:19-20
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

In conclusion... I think that there are more than likely still prophets in this day and age.... however, Christ Jesus has become the "chief cornerstone" of the church.

There were prophets after Christ because the Scripture was not yet complete. When the Scipture was complete, that sort of prophecy ceased. This is why the verse above says that the chruch was build on the foundation of prophets and apostles. Foundations do not need to be rebuilt.

As far as Joseph Smith, just point at his prophetic accuracy (which is not very good) to disprove him as a prophet. Also, the two people who supposedly witnessed his writing the Book of Mormon under Divine inspiration both later left the church.

Phil · 10-20-2001, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by Ivoryguy

Also, I don't know the exact reference to this, but in the Bible it says that scripture is complete and does not need to be added to. Therefore, there is no use for the Book of Mormon.

This is in the last couple verses in Revelation, and Jesus also said it in Matthew I believe. I could find them if you wanted.

Nate · 10-20-2001, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by lukesneeringer
There were prophets after Christ because the Scripture was not yet complete. When the Scipture was complete, that sort of prophecy ceased.

Ok.... I think I see what you're getting at.