The War on Drugs

Benny Hicks · 12-09-2004, 01:19 PM

I'd be very interested to hear some discussion about the "War on Drugs." I know very little about it, but from what I hear, it's largely ineffective yet extremely expensive. I don't really have any extremely reliable sources, but googling war on drugs turns up some pretty interesting sights. What are your opinions on this subject? Do you oppose the way the US has approached this issue?

My interested in this has been stimulated by The Prison Song by System of a Down.

Ben

**Epaphras** · 12-09-2004, 02:04 PM

We should just build an impenetrable wall along every inch if the U.S./Mexico border and shoot everything coming across it. That would solve everything

Haha j/k. No I have no idea what to do. I think increasing anti-drug education would help.

In His love,
Sean

anathema · 12-09-2004, 02:52 PM

Hoo boy...

All I know is about war on drugs as it pertains to marijuana.. We are filling the prison system with minor marijuana drug offenders. It costs taxpayers $35,000 per prisioner per year... times that by the # of prisoners (2 million i thought...) and you have a LOT of money that dosnt make sense.. I guess marijuana reform would have to be in place before this was dealt with. We should be dealing with the meth labs and crack/cocaine dealers, and we are worrying too much about a plant that can grow on 6 continents and all 50 states in america.

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I think increasing anti-drug education would help.

The D.A.R.E program is a HUGE failure, with even more recreational cocaine/ecstasy/speed teenage users than ever. The DARE program cost millions, and for what? No matter how much education you give a kid, they will still try something illegal (substance wise).

I think the legalization of marijuana (and not just for smoking purposes, hemp has a million uses that would probably put the cotton industry out of business) would be a great start, as would the release of certain non-violent prisoners (although, they gain unfavorable habits while in prison, that could be another debate) and posession legal again. This would cut down on the amount of DEA personell needed as well as their special taskforces. While cutting down on DEA government, they would just have to tax marijuana like cigarettes and they would be putting double what they were spending back in their pockets.

For the US to have the largest prison population on earth and it NOT working as a whole is a bit too rediculous...

*anathema*

anathema · 12-09-2004, 10:46 PM

Also, just read this commentary, sums it up..

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President Clinton was on television discussing the problem of drugs in prison. "Wait a minute," Heller asked himself. "Drugs in prison????" So despite the locked gates, iron bars, barbed wire, anal cavity searches, and total population control--you can't keep drugs out of prison? And you think you can remove drugs from a so-called "free" society?

**slap_j** · 12-09-2004, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Epaphras

I think increasing anti-drug education would help.

I don't think so. I mean, they already lie to kids. They tell kids that marijuana kils brain cells. A DEA judge called marijuana the safest drug known to mankind (it's even less addictive than caffeine) yet our government has it scheduled higher than cocaine. It absolutely baffles me as to why people make this plant out to be bad at all, much less how they can throw people in jail for it. Man...

The government also shows themselves to be rather silly. They try to stop kids from trying/using pot by saying that it contributes to terrorism. Well why not just legalize it and solve that problem rather than trying to tell people not to use weed when some 70,000,000 Americans have used the drug at one point in their lives.

**slap_j** · 12-09-2004, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by anathema

I think the legalization of marijuana (and not just for smoking purposes, hemp has a million uses that would probably put the cotton industry out of business)...

At one point in the history of our country people were highly encouraged to grow cannabis (the plant that produces hemp and marijuana) because of how extremely useful it is. Hemp is an amazing product and marijuana is an amazing pharmaceutical.

guitarmonkey<>< · 12-09-2004, 11:11 PM

anything thats runs your body for you, instead of you running your body is not good, i dont believe the brains cells bit, and i believe it is less addicting, but it is still a device to make it so your not really there.

**slap_j** · 12-09-2004, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarmonkey<><

anything thats runs your body for you, instead of you running your body is not good, i dont believe the brains cells bit, and i believe it is less addicting, but it is still a device to make it so your not really there.

Clearly you've never used it, haha.

guitarmonkey<>< · 12-09-2004, 11:28 PM

no, but with 2 generations of family in the Police force i have heard enough about those who have.

**slap_j** · 12-09-2004, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarmonkey<><

no, but with 2 generations of family in the Police force i have heard enough about those who have.

Well, what you said just is not true. It doesn't "run" you and it doesn't make you leave reality. It takes some hardcore hallucinogens to make you leave reality -- stuff like 5-MeO-DMT. The most stoned person in the world is more in charge of themselves than someone who is sh*tfaced drunk (and alcohol is considered a soft drug in our society).

niangelo · 12-09-2004, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarmonkey<><

anything thats runs your body for you, instead of you running your body is not good, i dont believe the brains cells bit, and i believe it is less addicting, but it is still a device to make it so your not really there.

Good thing we have alcohol, which is legal and does none of those things!

guitarmonkey<>< · 12-09-2004, 11:33 PM

yeah go figure....irony,.lol

niangelo · 12-09-2004, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarmonkey<><

no, but with 2 generations of family in the Police force i have heard enough about those who have.

Do you think it's possible that may have been exposed to rhetoric and propaganda in this evironment?

guitarmonkey<>< · 12-09-2004, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by slap_j

Well, what you said just is not true. It doesn't "run" you and it doesn't make you leave reality. It takes some hardcore hallucinogens to make you leave reality -- stuff like 5-MeO-DMT. The most stoned person in the world is more in charge of themselves than someone who is sh*tfaced drunk (and alcohol is considered a soft drug in our society).

so just the "Pot" itself without all the crap they put in it is good? is that what your trying to say, becuz i have Seen a person stoned after smoking marijuana and they are not "there" not drunk like, just like i dunno have you ever seen someone full out stoned, i cant describe it.

**slap_j** · 12-09-2004, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarmonkey<><

so just the "Pot" itself without all the crap they put in it is good?

I've never seen laced marijuana in my life. I am sure it is around but I rarely even hear of it.

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have Seen a person stoned after smoking marijuana and they are not "there" not drunk like, just like i dunno have you ever seen someone full out stoned, i cant describe it.

I've seen many many people smoke and after smoking and it's just nothing what you describe.