[Young Twig]

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[JaytheK]

Originally Posted by Young Twig

Well, John, I never took advantage of my opportunity to join Debate Club, sorry.

Well, Jon, I never did either. You know all that "debate" stuff I was talking about? I deduced that myself from my social skills. And it just makes sense.

Jay the K

P.S. By the way, I wasn't trying to be a jerk, either. I truely am sorry if I came across as such.

[bobthecockroach]

Originally Posted by Young Twig

What if you're a single mother? Can you live on no income and no welfare? Then can you see why public school being less expensive can be an advantage? I'm not saying it always is, but...

I would still go with homeschooling.

I mean, is being on welfare a sin?

In any event, God will provide. What's important is that parents do what is best for their children.

[KFBobInsanesMom]

Originally Posted by Young Twig

What if you're a single mother? Can you live on no income and no welfare? Then can you see why public school being less expensive can be an advantage? I'm not saying it always is, but...

A D is a passing grade. They have to pass them. In my school, a teacher will give speacial attention to a D student, probably some phone calls home, etc. But they really can't do much if the student isn't willing to take the help they can get (which for them generally means staying after school or giving up study hall time).


I've never heard of something like that happening.

Also, I'd like to add that I respect my public school teachers a lot more than I respected my mom or any of the homeschool helpers.

We were talking about social skills. Asking a librarian for help isn't rocket science either, but you brought it up.

Well, the BOLD type explains your problem. You need to learn to respect your mom and ask her forgiveness for not doing so.

I am a single mom, have been for 4 years, and I live on a small amount of child support and alimony ( less than 1/2 of what we were living on ). We don't even come close to the mean poverty level income for the size of our family and we make it just fine ( without a penny of welfare I might add ). Sure you have to cut out a lot, but its certainly not impossible.

My point exactly about the D being passing. Public schools fail to educate a large % of the kids and pass them on in spite of the fact that they didnt' learn the material. I have not known a single homeschool family that accepts a D. If they don't learn it, we do it again .

You may not hear of things that go on, but they do go on. I thought you told me I was the one who knew nothing about public schools. Apparently you don't know them too well either.

Being able to use public resources is a social skill. You brought up public transportation, I brought up the library. I'm pretty sure it takes more work to learn how to access all a library has to offer than it does to hop on a bus and drop your quarter in the slot.

[KFBobInsanesMom]

Originally Posted by Young Twig

You had stated that you had more than adequate knowledge of the basic subjects. That's kind of smart, I guess.

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ANYONE who graduates from high school should have " adequate knowledge of the basic subjects". I mean, think about it, they had to have passed all their classes to graduate.

[KFBobInsanesMom]

Originally Posted by Visirale

Opps.

www.scps.k12.fl.us

On the right menu, go to schools, high school, crooms.

My school is Seminole, by the way.

Ok, it just says its a magnet school with an emphasis on technology. I don't see any claims that students make 50K a year anywhere. If true, I am sure they would use that in the advertising .

I believe most of what was listed is also available at the local public high school in my area. In fact, a few years ago they added an entire technology building with a large number of computer labs.

There are magnet schools all over the country and I think its a great idea. It certainly doesn't mean that homeschool kids can't learn the same things if they choose to. I would venture to guess that most of what the students learn on the computers is by independent study using a computer program. If one is willing to pay the price , I am sure such programs are readily available.

[Young Twig]

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[KFBobInsanesMom]

Originally Posted by Young Twig

What does that have to do with anything? It's really none of your business anyway.

So what do you think passing should be? At my school, 70 is passing. How high can you make it?

Uh, hi? I go to public school and talk to lots of people there. I know what's going on. Just because I don't hear crap about teachers offering students condoms doesn't mean I don't know what's going on.

I was actually referring to a school bus. You have to talk to creepy bus drivers who have 5 teeth and give them directions to your house. That's more of a social skill than finding a book at a library.

You mentioned the issue of respect and it answers a lot of questions about why you are so against homeschooling.

Passing should be no lower than 80%. I see little sense in wasting the time to " teach" a subject if the student isn't really learning it.

You know what goes on from a student's point of view, but as a parent I know of a lot of things that you are not likely to be aware of.

Strange , even in Louisiana which is not known for its great education system, the school bus drivers know their route and the stops.

There is a lot more to a library than just finding a book.

[Signing&Singing]

You people are wound tight aren't you? Man! I've been public schooled and homeschooled and understand the advantange/disadvantages to both. I want to be in the club k? I think that being h/sed is a great thing for certain people. other people thrive more in public schools. it really depends on the kid.

[guitarmonkey<><]

Originally Posted by Young Twig

I think that it is wrong to live off of welfare. I can understand needing goverment assistance when you're between jobs or something, but to live off of government assistance is (to me) taking advantage of the government. But that's a whole nother argument... and I'm probably wrong here anyway.


What does that have to do with anything? It's really none of your business anyway.


So what do you think passing should be? At my school, 70 is passing. How high can you make it?


Uh, hi? I go to public school and talk to lots of people there. I know what's going on. Just because I don't hear crap about teachers offering students condoms doesn't mean I don't know what's going on.


I was actually referring to a school bus. You have to talk to creepy bus drivers who have 5 teeth and give them directions to your house. That's more of a social skill than finding a book at a library.

hate to sayit what the hell is your problem with homeschooling? no one is forcing you to be homeschooled, i stoped going to public school cuz in first grade i the science activity was drawing butterflies and i was bored out of my skull, i am thankful that i am homeschooled, ill graduate a year early, and i have been able to do much more than what i would have done in public school. And in public school you cant EVEN PRAY without tempers being flared up, let alone say Under God. i was sick of all the evolutionist propaganda being pounded into my head. and them, saying its perfectly natural to be gay, i was reading at three and they told me to stop cuz that wasnt the "normal" age to be reading at. if all you can dfo is sit and say homeschooling is stupid you need to get a lif

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by guitarmonkey<><

hate to sayit what the hell is your problem with homeschooling? no one is forcing you to be homeschooled, i stoped going to public school cuz in first grade i the science activity was drawing butterflies and i was bored out of my skull, i am thankful that i am homeschooled, ill graduate a year early, and i have been able to do much more than what i would have done in public school. And in public school you cant EVEN PRAY without tempers being flared up, let alone say Under God. i was sick of all the evolutionist propaganda being pounded into my head. and them, saying its perfectly natural to be gay, i was reading at three and they told me to stop cuz that wasnt the "normal" age to be reading at. if all you can dfo is sit and say homeschooling is stupid you need to get a lif

I understand your point, but try to use better grammar next time you defend homeschooling. I don't see how you can defend the efficiency of homeschooling if your grammar is poor. That would be like Twig coming in here and saying:

Originally Posted by Hypothetical Twig

publik skoolin werked pretty good 4 me

If you can't use good grammar, your entire point is made moot.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Young Twig

As someone who has been homeschooled and been in public school, I will say that public is far superior and you should shut up.

I am not going to argue on the subjective plain of 'Homeschooling is what God wants you to do with your kids', that is between each and every parent, and God Himself. However, standardized education of any sort is inefficient, pure and simple. Since you are a smart kid, you are able to understand everything you learn, and are doing well in classes. (I am assuming) However, I would put money on you being in a higher grade if you were homeschooled, and had someone pushing you. I know that I am held back by the whole grade system. I am 16 years old and I could have graduated last year, if it wasn't for the stupid grading system and my Mom not letting me work ahead. From the ages of 8 - 14 it took me about thirty minutes to do my schoolwork everyday, and I had straight As. It was completely mindless, and I was bored the whole time. Now I am in the eleventh grade, and am still getting good grades, but I have slowed down in the time it takes me to complete it. This is easily where I could have been two or three years ago, but because of the grade system, I am not. I will continue this as I respond to more of your posts.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by texandawg1288

no but what adult listens to someone younger then them?? And would you rather witness to someone your age or you parents age? or someone like 10 years younger than you?

There are a multitude of adults that I have come in contact with that respect me greatly, and would gladly listen to my facts. And to be blunt with this, I really don't think that you should give a [pick a word] about whether you are witnessing to a five year old or a ninety year old. Both of them are sinners damned to hell, and need someone to show them the gospel. I would suggest re-evaluating your motives if you feel this way.

Originally Posted by Jon

You learn social skills. Go ahead and argue this point, but I have been in both situations and I can say that public school is much, much better for learning social skills.

I am not going to argue this point with you, because this situation is subjective for every son and daughter of Adam, because people learn differently. However, I have taken one class in my life (Driver's Education), and I am quite adept, socially. I am not bragging, just using myself as an example.

You're around "the world." If people are having sex in bathrooms, yeah... you need to get used to that kind of stuff happening. If you plan on going to college (even a Christian college), that crap will happen and you're going to freak out.

Oh yeah, getting calloused to sin is wonderful. No, Twig, you are wrong. Sin should always revolt us. Not freak us out in the sense that we are scarred, but it should revolt us, and make us long to witness to others. Getting calloused to sin is a very, very destructive thing.

You can learn some weird stuff. Chances are your mom cannot teach you how to play oboe, code C++, make technical drawings, teach you how to make really good art (my mom is actually very good at art, but most moms are not), etc.

Agreed. However, I can teach myself both oboe and C++. I could probably teach myself Art as well. Maybe not technical drawings, but it is possible to enroll in individual classes in the Public School system. I do agree with your point, here.

Teachers are specialized in their subject and know more about it than your mom does.

My Mom has not taught me anything (schoolwise) since I was about nine. I have taught myself since then.

Homeschool is very expensive. More expensive than private school because it prevents your mom from earning a good salary.

Homeschool is expensive, but so are cars and houses. If you are going to private school your kids, just send them to public school. No difference.

Do you guys learn how to deal with "bullies" or people that try to take advantage of you?

Yeah, I whip out a can of kick-ass on them. Not really, though. I have dealt with people trying to take advantage of me in the past, yes. I usually tell them to buzz off. But if they are bullies in the sense that they are physically harmful, I would just turn them into the proper authority. I have never really given a care about people calling me a tattle tale. Biblically, we do not handle unlawful situations by ourselves, we report them to the authority. Same principal.

Do you learn how to deal with peer pressure?

Haha! Peer pressure was always just stupid to me. I laugh at people who try to pressure me into something. I was raised to think rationally, and peer pressure is counter-rational.

(A great deal of Health class was on this last year, so I can't see how you can say that public schools don't do much about overcoming peer pressure.)

Glad to hear it. I like it when I hear success stories from public schools. I am not out to get them.

Do you use public transportation?

And the point of this would be...? I can get around, yes.

Do you have to get to class on time?

No sir. This was also the most irrelevant point brought up in this thread, from either side.

[Andrew]

I think that it is wrong to live off of welfare. I can understand needing goverment assistance when you're between jobs or something, but to live off of government assistance is (to me) taking advantage of the government. But that's a whole nother argument... and I'm probably wrong here anyway.

I definitely agree with you. So I don't think you are wrong there, at least.

[Andrew]

I am merging the thread in CPF with this one. Ignore this post.