Is Halloween really that bad?

salvaged · 10-29-2004, 12:09 PM

This is a good topic!!!
My Dad asked me if I was taking my little girl trick or treating, and I said no probably not, cause we have a party to go to, that has nothing to do with Halloween BTW, but He was like, oh come on dont tell me you think its evil and all that ... So I was like well, I've heard its evil, but I'm not really sure, I have taken her trick or treating before, and He said dont you know what Halloween really is, havent you heard the story? I hadnt, and he told me of how it was a burning of witches to celebrate the burning of evil, destroying it. So then I asked my grandpa on my moms side of the family and got a little different veiw, but a biblical one of... I think he said it was samson who was too burn or destroy all the witches and he would have I think God's glory or power or something, but yeh he had called upon one of the witches and got advice from her , she called upon one of his dead freinds or something and anyhoo, she was the witch who lived and so some celebrate halloween for that reason.
Last year in my home town a very small but also known for wiches a long time ago had a little boys mouth cut all up by some slipping a razor blade into an apple or candy. So I think its best to have some sort of Christian enviornment set up for your kids.

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-29-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by salvaged

This is a good topic!!!
My Dad asked me if I was taking my little girl trick or treating, and I said no probably not, cause we have a party to go to, that has nothing to do with Halloween BTW, but He was like, oh come on dont tell me you think its evil and all that ... So I was like well, I've heard its evil, but I'm not really sure, I have taken her trick or treating before, and He said dont you know what Halloween really is, havent you heard the story? I hadnt, and he told me of how it was a burning of witches to celebrate the burning of evil, destroying it. So then I asked my grandpa on my moms side of the family and got a little different veiw, but a biblical one of... I think he said it was samson who was too burn or destroy all the witches and he would have I think God's glory or power or something, but yeh he had called upon one of the witches and got advice from her , she called upon one of his dead freinds or something and anyhoo, she was the witch who lived and so some celebrate halloween for that reason.
Last year in my home town a very small but also known for wiches a long time ago had a little boys mouth cut all up by some slipping a razor blade into an apple or candy. So I think its best to have some sort of Christian enviornment set up for your kids.

halloween had nothing to do with the burning of witches.

**Role Modlin** · 10-29-2004, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by salvaged

So then I asked my grandpa on my moms side of the family and got a little different veiw, but a biblical one of... I think he said it was samson who was too burn or destroy all the witches and he would have I think God's glory or power or something, but yeh he had called upon one of the witches and got advice from her , she called upon one of his dead freinds or something and anyhoo, she was the witch who lived and so some celebrate halloween for that reason.

I have never heard or read this....could you please cite scripture?

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-29-2004, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Modlin

I have never heard or read this....could you please cite scripture?

I think it is a mix of the command from the Law that all those who committed witchcraft were to be burned.
&
Sauls Expulsion of the witches
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Saul and the witch at endor
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a good deal of confusion

**Role Modlin** · 10-29-2004, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

I think it is a mix of the command from the Law that all those who committed witchcraft were to be burned.
&
Sauls Expulsion of the witches
&
Saul and the witch at endor
&
a good deal of confusion

Methinks you may be correct.

sgary · 10-29-2004, 09:24 PM

Halloween, or Hallowe'en: is before All Saints' Day (we shouldn't confuse the two) Masqueradeing as something your not, and begging for treats, or playing pranks, in my view is not good. (Scottish for Allhallow-even, earlier All hallow eve)

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-29-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sgary

Halloween, or Hallowe'en: is before All Saints' Day (we shouldn't confuse the two) Masqueradeing as something your not, and begging for treats, or playing pranks, in my view is not good. (Scottish for Allhallow-even, earlier All hallow eve)

why not any of those things, Im just curious.

**Role Modlin** · 10-29-2004, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

why not any of those things, Im just curious.

Me too....

nckcool_11 · 10-29-2004, 11:02 PM

wow this is wierd cause i guy just came to my church and talked to us about this...
anyway i glanced at the posts beforehand and just wanna point some stuff out. first halloween is NOT a church holiday. never was, and never is. actually, all saints day was moved to november 1st to try to cancel out the witchcraft that took place on halloween.
its really a tough topic. first i think we gotta recognize that society waters down every holiday that we have. its true with christmas and easter, and also with halloween. society tells us that christmas is about family and spending time together, but it is really about the birth of christ. by the same token, society tells us that halloween is about dressing up and getting candy, but it really is about more. halloween is basically the equivilant of easter for witches. i think its important for us as christians to recognize that evil does exist. the person who spoke at my school lives in salem, ma (a place infameous for witches) and has many stories of curses and threats posed by witches and such. satan has power on this earth, and we cant ignore it. so halloween is originally an evil holiday, and evil is still in this world

now to the real question.... is it evil to celebrate halloween? personally, i think it just doesnt really make sense. you dont see christians running around celebrating hannukah just "because its fun", and the same token should be taken for halloween. even if it is considered a secular religion, it isnt. also i will remind people that christians are to be aliens in this world, which isnt a great excuse to be running around with everyone else because not everyone takes place in satanic worship at halloween.

in conclusision, i dont know. but i would stear clear of it. most of us are probably old enough to not trick-or-treat, and if we arn't then we should gladly give up candy for God anyway. i dont know if its bad or good, but either way its something thats dangerous, real, and it still exists. i think im going to stear clear from it for now on... but its ur choice

**Role Modlin** · 10-29-2004, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nckcool_11

now to the real question.... is it evil to celebrate halloween? personally, i think it just doesnt really make sense. you dont see christians running around celebrating hannukah just "because its fun", and the same token should be taken for halloween. even if it is considered a secular religion, it isnt. also i will remind people that christians are to be aliens in this world, which isnt a great excuse to be running around with everyone else because not everyone takes place in satanic worship at halloween.

in conclusision, i dont know. but i would stear clear of it. most of us are probably old enough to not trick-or-treat, and if we arn't then we should gladly give up candy for God anyway. i dont know if its bad or good, but either way its something thats dangerous, real, and it still exists. i think im going to stear clear from it for now on... but its ur choice

Actually....it wouldn't be that far-fetched for Christians to celebrate Hannukah or any other Jewish holiday....but that's for another thread.

bobthecockroach · 10-29-2004, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nckcool_11

anyway i glanced at the posts beforehand and just wanna point some stuff out. first halloween is NOT a church holiday. never was, and never is. actually, all saints day was moved to november 1st to try to cancel out the witchcraft that took place on halloween.

Then explain why Halloween sounds exactly like an abbreveation for All Hallows' Eve and why the newadvent.org Catholic encyclopedia says that the vigil of All Saints' Day is called Halloween.

**Role Modlin** · 10-29-2004, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Then explain why Halloween sounds exactly like an abbreveation for All Hallows' Eve and why the newadvent.org Catholic encyclopedia says that the vigil of All Saints' Day is called Halloween.

touche'

***BillSPrestonEsq*** · 10-30-2004, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by nckcool_11

wow this is wierd cause i guy just came to my church and talked to us about this...
anyway i glanced at the posts beforehand and just wanna point some stuff out. first halloween is NOT a church holiday. never was, and never is. actually, all saints day was moved to november 1st to try to cancel out the witchcraft that took place on halloween.
its really a tough topic. first i think we gotta recognize that society waters down every holiday that we have. its true with christmas and easter, and also with halloween. society tells us that christmas is about family and spending time together, but it is really about the birth of christ. by the same token, society tells us that halloween is about dressing up and getting candy, but it really is about more. halloween is basically the equivilant of easter for witches. i think its important for us as christians to recognize that evil does exist. the person who spoke at my school lives in salem, ma (a place infameous for witches) and has many stories of curses and threats posed by witches and such. satan has power on this earth, and we cant ignore it. so halloween is originally an evil holiday, and evil is still in this world

now to the real question.... is it evil to celebrate halloween? personally, i think it just doesnt really make sense. you dont see christians running around celebrating hannukah just "because its fun", and the same token should be taken for halloween. even if it is considered a secular religion, it isnt. also i will remind people that christians are to be aliens in this world, which isnt a great excuse to be running around with everyone else because not everyone takes place in satanic worship at halloween.

in conclusision, i dont know. but i would stear clear of it. most of us are probably old enough to not trick-or-treat, and if we arn't then we should gladly give up candy for God anyway. i dont know if its bad or good, but either way its something thats dangerous, real, and it still exists. i think im going to stear clear from it for now on... but its ur choice

maybe you should learn that Christmas, easter and halloween are all of pagan origin. They all are. Easter from ancient fertility cults related to the equinox, Christmas, Saturnalia, Halloween, Samhein.

Our culture is a mix of pagan symbols recycled, most stripped of all evil. Halloween was all saints eve, never moved, merely redeeming the cultural festivals.

Now ceding a day to the enemy is wrong, superstitious, and idolatrous.

Gracie Love · 10-30-2004, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BillSPrestonEsq

maybe you should learn that Christmas, easter and halloween are all of pagan origin. They all are. Easter from ancient fertility cults related to the equinox, Christmas, Saturnalia, Halloween, Samhein.

Our culture is a mix of pagan symbols recycled, most stripped of all evil. Halloween was all saints eve, never moved, merely redeeming the cultural festivals.

Now ceding a day to the enemy is wrong, superstitious, and idolatrous.

I agree with Lee and Bill. We aren't talking about us going trick or treating we are talking about our kids. I see no problem with it as long as we don't dress up our kids as witches and devils. Although that tradition came about to scare off Evil spirits. Here is what my kids are dressed up as this year. I see nothing bad or evil about it. Do you?

**Role Modlin** · 10-30-2004, 08:42 AM

I went through an anti-Halloween phase several years ago. It was also before my first son was born, go figure. I wasn't anti-Halloween because I was witnessing evil and anti-Christian rituals being performed, I was anti-Halloween because someone told me that Halloween had some of its origins (not ALL of them) in pagan Celtic/Druidic practices. I automatically deemed it EVIL and decided to have nothing to do with it. And I was vehemently opposed to any and all Halloween traditions, no matter how innocent and fun.

Then it dawned on me, every time I write out one of the days of the week I am acknowledging pagan, and therefore anti-Christian, mythology. Every time I use the word Easter, I'm acknowledging a pagan celebration. Every time I file an Income Tax form I'm....well, you get the picture.

If you spend Halloween invoking the dead and casting spells, then I'd say you probably need to quit it. But if Halloween is nothing more than a commercial holiday meant to sell massive quantities of rubber masks, Tootsie Rolls and Smarties....then I really see no harm in it. Just remember to explain to your kids why you do the things you do. Also explain why you DON'T do those other things.