[blindfoldgag]

Ok, Im aware this may cause some negative feedback. But thats politics isnt it?

Im so tired of Bush. He is a moron. He expliots 9-11 to the fullest, and without it, he has nothing to run with.

[SoccerAaron]

This belongs in Government and Economics.
Have fun.

[Epaphras]

Originally Posted by blindfoldgag

Im so tired of Bush. He is a moron. He expliots 9-11 to the fullest, and without it, he has nothing to run with.

Explain.

And spare us the personal attacks. It's one thing to disagree with his policies, but personal bashing is not showing proper respect for the God-established authority (Romans 13.1-7). Thanks.

[AmberNichole]

Originally Posted by blindfoldgag

Im so tired of Bush. He is a moron.

That is an ignorant statement.

I don't just say that because of who I support. I would say the same thing had you said that about John Kerry.

[Qingu]

Originally Posted by AmberNichole

That is an ignorant statement.

I don't just say that because of who I support. I would say the same thing had you said that about John Kerry.

Bush's idiocy is a rather important issue. He cannot articulate what he wants to say, and occasionally this has caused some very testy foreign relations problems (like when he said the terrorists were practicing some kind of "false religion.") He was also unable to articulate himself in the debates--oftentimes he parroted what clearly was his pre-fed slogan lines from his advisors, instead of actually engaging the questions.

Bush does not appear to be a particularly intelligent person. A president should be intelligent.

Does that Romans passage apply to Hitler? My opinion of Paul keeps on getting lower and lower ... I think he's on my ten least favorite people in history list.

[grand_master_d]

Originally Posted by Qingu

Does that Romans passage apply to Hitler?

This is a good point, and something I just asked my pastor last night. Not Hitler, but the same, general question still. Anyone?

[anathema]

Man, how off track we fly sometimes...
Presidents are nothing more than puppets for their select backers/parties. The sooner you realize this, the sooner these threads will die bloody horrible deaths.

but personal bashing is not showing proper respect for the God-established authority (Romans 13.1-7)

I agree with Qingu to an extent here, following the 'God established' authority no matter what is silly, let alone following it while it commits genocide. If the good ol USA was killing Iraquis en masse, would you still 'show proper respect'?

I believe Paul was speaking to the church of that day, in that context.
As for Paul, I hold to him bieng an all around great guy in history, he did some amazing things both good and evil. God truly did speak through Paul.

*anathema*

[JerryLove]

If the good ol USA was killing Iraquis en masse, would you still 'show proper respect'?

We are well into 5 figures... how many would it take to be "en masse".

It recently came out that we made two attempts to rescue hostiges in Iraq. Two times we thought we knew where they were, raided, and there were no terrorists there.

We also often think we know where terrorists are and drpo a bomb on a house. What makes us think we are any more reliable then? Aren't we killing innocent Iraqis now?

[Dave H]

Originally Posted by blindfoldgag

Ok, Im aware this may cause some negative feedback. But thats politics isnt it?

Im so tired of Bush. He is a moron. He expliots 9-11 to the fullest, and without it, he has nothing to run with.

Maybe you think it would be better to kinda forget about it, like it never happened, and didn't change our country at all?

[JerryLove]

Maybe you think it would be better to kinda forget about it, like it never happened, and didn't change our country at all?

I wonder how much it should have. Beyond the obvious reprocussions on AlQuida itself, 9/11 was hardly the first time terrorists had targeted the US. In 1992, AlQuida attempted to blow up the WTC with truck bombs.

Since terrorists have been trying for more than a decade, what changes now? Certainly we've seen a failure in intelligence (one that was there in 1992 when we didn't stop the previous attempt), and should change our practice based on our knowledge, but for 9/11 to be the rallying cry for 2004 is narrow-minded.

[Dave H]

Originally Posted by JerryLove

I wonder how much it should have. Beyond the obvious reprocussions on AlQuida itself, 9/11 was hardly the first time terrorists had targeted the US. In 1992, AlQuida attempted to blow up the WTC with truck bombs.

Since terrorists have been trying for more than a decade, what changes now? Certainly we've seen a failure in intelligence (one that was there in 1992 when we didn't stop the previous attempt), and should change our practice based on our knowledge, but for 9/11 to be the rallying cry for 2004 is narrow-minded.

I guess the keyword here is "attempted". There have been many terrorist attempts...from enemies outside the US...911 is certainly the first major attack in the US that succeeded. Certainly that makes things a lot different, doesn't it?

[JerryLove]

I guess the keyword here is "attempted". There have been many terrorist attempts...from enemies outside the US...911 is certainly the first major attack in the US that succeeded. Certainly that makes things a lot different, doesn't it?

Not really. In 1992 AlQuida successfully got a bomb into the underground parking area of the WTC and detonated it. It killed several people and did great damage to the tower.

In 2001, they successfully flew planes into 3 buildings. The death toll / damage was higher, but otherwise it was identical to the 1992 insicdent of foreign terrorism against a domestic target in the US.

Mind you, there have also been acts of domestic terroism (Oklahoma City for example), and AlQuida spent more than a decade building from the simultanious attacks on US barracks in three countries, through the first TWTC attack and the attack in Somalia, and the USS Cole, to the most recent WTC attack and beyond to bombings in IRaq, Egypt, Indonesia, the Phillipines, etc.

Let's not forget as well that post 9/11 we had that anthrax attacks in the US (never caught), the DC Sniper, the attempted shoebombing, etc.

Modern international terrorism can trace back 50 years, and AlQuida's attacks on the US at least 20. Sometimes the attack hits; sometimes it misses, sometimes it's in the US, sometimes abroad; sometimes it hits a few, sometimes a lot. 9/11 was just a case where the worst case in each of the three options coincided.

The reality of terrorism was no different on 9/12/01 than it had been on 9/12/00. The same people were plotting the same things against the same opponents. 9/11 was just a very visible sign of the problems and issues that were, are, and will go on, not some magical change in the world.

Am I safer now than I was then? Is terrorism in the world as down or up? I certainly here about it far more often. I do know that I can now have my house searched without judicial approval or review, or even my knowledge. I do know that the FBI can now tap my phone without anyone knowing. I do know that Americans can be held for years with no charges, no Habius Corpus, and no access to a lawyer. I know that I can be treated as a terrorist for having bleach in my laundry room. These things are different, these things have changed, and my life is the worse for it.

[I have no brain]

In 1992, AlQuida attempted to blow up the WTC with truck bombs.

Yes and we also knew then that it was Bin Ladin who had ordered those attackes, Bill Clinton then had the chance to order CIA to take out Bin Ladin, but he chose not to, thus 9-11 occurred. Passivism does not work in all cases.

[I have no brain]

Sorry about being un-politically-correct but the people who are attacking us are middle-eastern, so we should maybe start focusing our attention on people with the name Ishmael or Mohammad. and as for the patriot act. The Democrats are trying to scare everyone into thinking that the FBI is going invade your house. The law allows better information transfers and puts a lot of that political“poo” out of the way so our law enforcers can do their job

[I have no brain]

Oh and Jerry if you don’t like how our military works you can always just move to Spain, when they get hit by terrorist they go on peace rallies and start acting like hippies, not to mention they elected a socialist president