C.A.K.E.( Christains Against Kerry and Edwards)

guitarmonkey<>< · 09-21-2004, 08:55 PM

Here is my Counter to CAB,

Famous Kerry quotes

When asked if about the 3 S.U.V.s he owns (since he so blantenly oppes them)

Oh no Its the Family S.U.V. i never Drive it- John Kerry

(talking about the Exportation of Jobs.) - We Have to Keep Jobs Here In A America....( guess where Heinz catsup is made.....(his wife is the Owner)....MEXICO?!?!?.

I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
Oh? I thought you whole heartedly disagreed with the War?

Go Here Please too read what John Kerrys says and of course what he does

John Kerry 9/7/04 "Iraq is the wrong war, in the wrong time and in the wrong place."

John Kerry on 9/8/04 "Iraq is a part of the War On Terror

Oh, I see it so Clearly now Thank you John.

please visit here to read about Teresa heinz Kerry, and her now famous and very funny quote here

**Epaphras** · 09-21-2004, 08:59 PM

Okay, but I'm sure everyone is sick and tired of mudslinging

I think both candidates should grow up and talk about the issues.

guitarmonkey<>< · 09-21-2004, 09:00 PM

Bush has, if Kerry Made Up his Mind they Could Sit Down And Talk.

Nate · 09-21-2004, 09:04 PM

Does this thread serve ANY purpose?

guitarmonkey<>< · 09-21-2004, 09:06 PM

Besides Opening up Political debate....I thought the Name Was Pretty Cool.
and it did take me awhile to find respectable sources , CNN, MSNBC, to get the quotes.

Nate · 09-21-2004, 09:10 PM

I'm still not sure I buy that there's no ulterior motive of sheer mockery. If this thread turns that direction, it's getting clopsed.

In His love,
Nate

guitarmonkey<>< · 09-21-2004, 09:12 PM

Roger that, I will try to keep that from happening,
adios

**Epaphras** · 09-21-2004, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate

I'm still not sure I buy that there's no ulterior motive of sheer mockery. If this thread turns that direction, it's getting clopsed.

In His love,
Nate

Yeah, I'm a Bush-man myself, but I don't want to see any disrespect for Kerry, either (like the CAB thread ended up being...).

It's just not right...

Delete this thread if it becomes anything less than intellectually stimulating.

grand_master_d · 09-21-2004, 09:43 PM

C.A.K.E.

Most of this, including Kerry's quotes, have been discussed in "that other thread". Let's not do it all again.

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Originally Posted by Epaphras

Yeah, I'm a Bush-man myself, but I don't want to see any disrespect for Kerry, either (like the CAB thread ended up being...).

I certainly hope you don't think I was the one disrespecting Kerry. If I'm the one you were referring to, I'd challenge you to read my posts again.

And buddy, if you hate Heinz ketchup so much... W

I must admit, this is the most delectable ketchup I have ever consumed.

guitarmonkey<>< · 09-21-2004, 09:48 PM

No i tried to bring this up and JerryLove said that my sources were not"respectable" So i got Msnbc, And Cnn, for him.

**Epaphras** · 09-21-2004, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by grand_master_d

I certainly hope you don't think I was the one disrespecting Kerry. If I'm the one you were referring to, I'd challenge you to read my posts again.

It's nothing personal. I just don't want this to be a repeat of the last thread, only reversed.

It really gets us nowhere...

Qingu · 09-21-2004, 09:56 PM

I would love to talk about the issues. Specifically, the issues that matter, such as which candidate will make it less likely that terrorists will kill me. More specifically, which candidate does not submit to the doctrine of neoconservatism.

I don't think neoconservatism is "evil," I just think it is incredibly foolish and naive. For 50 years, neoconservatives have been pushing the idea of spreading democracy via nation-building and supplanting non-democractic dictators.

For 50 years, absolutely nothing positive has been accomplished by this policy. Rather, most of the states we have encouraged (or installed coups) regime change in have either turned out to be a worse dictatorship than before, or a breeding ground for people who virulently hate America and terrorists.

I am not saying that neoconservatives are to blame for "creating" terrorists. But the doctrine of neoconservative has, for 50 years, been a chief rallying call of terrorist recruiters. Some may wonder why Osama bin Laden and other fanatic Arabs whine about American being "imperialist" -- it is because they can read the articles written by Rumsfeld and Cheney and their cronies in Commentary. They really do want to emrace America's empire and spread our ideology around the world -- an ideology most of the Muslim world is, for their own mostly stupid religoius reasons, virulently opposed to.

Another rallying cry for terrorists is our support of Israel. The neoconservatives love Israel; in fact, they openly say they want to base our foreign policy on Israel's foreign policy. The stupidity of this desire is amazing. Looking at Israel's history for the past 50 years ... how is it not obvious that Israel's foreign policy has gotten them absolutely nowhere except more stuck in a desert with more people willing to blow themselves up to kill them? The neocons want us to model our policy after Israel's failure? (and its brutal colonial treatment of its Arab neighbors?)

Bush claims that he is fully committed to winning the war on terror. Perhaps he actually believe this. But an empirical examination of history, and of the neoconservative ideology, shows that pushing democracy and nation building will inevitably create MORE terrorists, MORE people who are willing to blow themselves up to kill Americans. It SACRIFICES the war on terror for an ideology -- spreading democracy and becoming a democratic empire.

I would rather have less terrorists in the world than impose American-style government and values on a world that does not want them. The very notion itself is hypocritical -- self-determinancy is a vital component of American ideology, and to force our ideology on other nations invalidates that ideology. And the application of this neoconservativsm, in a guise of "winning the war on terror" is hypocritical and deceitful as well. It is an ideology that is won at the expense of the other war, the war against terrorists.

That is (the main reason) why I am voting for Kerry. Because neoconservatives do not make up the majority of his advisers and staff. Maybe he's a total hypocrite, but I feel safer with him as president than with Bush.

grand_master_d · 09-21-2004, 10:19 PM

Bush, to me, doesn't seem neo-conservative in the least. However, a lot of his advisors do... and he has definitely heeded their advice.

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Originally Posted by Epaphras

It's nothing personal. I just don't want this to be a repeat of the last thread, only reversed.

That doesn't answer my question. Was I the one that you assumed was disrespecting Kerry?

Guitarmonkey, you should actually cite your sources; include dates, where the quote was found... type your arguments up a little better, spellcheck! It all helps when trying to form an intelligent, convincing argument.

Maybe your quotes are from reliable sources, but are they taken out of context at all?

guitarmonkey<>< · 09-21-2004, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qingu

Bush claims that he is fully committed to winning the war on terror. Perhaps he actually believe this. But an empirical examination of history, and of the neoconservative ideology, shows that pushing democracy and nation building will inevitably create MORE terrorists, MORE people who are willing to blow themselves up to kill Americans. It SACRIFICES the war on terror for an ideology -- spreading democracy and becoming a democratic empire.

This I really disagree with.

Reason Number 1
Accepting everything, means you believe in nothing.
Where in History Does it prove that not taking action, makes things better?
I.E. Revolutionary War. Do you think that if we just left things the way they were things would hve gotten better? No, it would've kept sliding downhill.
Fighting against these, Terrorists, no, fighting is the wrong word. Standing Up to these terrorists, does not spawn more. It may create a burst, as mens testosterone about their Patriotic beliefs Skyrockets. But they will lose, and they will die out.

John Kerry Standing singing "why cant we be friends" with Al-Queda isnt going to help anything, that will take it downhill my friend.

I'd Rather have a Leader then a Follower whos executive decision can be bought, or Changed just cause' "Whoppi said so".

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For 50 years, absolutely nothing positive has been accomplished by this policy. Rather, most of the states we have encouraged (or installed coups) regime change in have either turned out to be a worse dictatorship than before, or a breeding ground for people who virulently hate America and terrorists.

Do the Words Mister Gogerchoff ( i butchered his name i know) Tear down your wall, ring a bell?

Do, The Shouts of 650,000 happy Iraqi's mean anything to You?

or rather, "Monica meet me tonight?"

Ill leave it at that...

guitarmonkey<>< · 09-21-2004, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grand_master_d

Bush, to me, doesn't seem neo-conservative in the least. However, a lot of his advisors do... and he has definitely heeded their advice.

That doesn't answer my question. Was I the one that you assumed was disrespecting Kerry?

Guitarmonkey, you should actually cite your sources; include dates, where the quote was found... type your arguments up a little better, spellcheck! It all helps when trying to form an intelligent, convincing argument.

Maybe your quotes are from reliable sources, but are they taken out of context at all?

No, I really hate it when ppl do that, these are all full.