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Unread 03-11-2005, 12:21 AM   #196
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I do recall at least one of them being introduced as a prayer. It does seem entirely probable that poetry and song were intertwined in that culture.

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Unread 03-11-2005, 12:22 AM   #197
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It does seem entirely probable that poetry and song were intertwined in that culture.
That would be my guess, but I really don't have any evidence off-hand that would suggest that.

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Unread 07-14-2014, 11:40 AM   #198
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Worship leaders need to be concerned with what impressions they are leaving and how they are shaping thinking and feeling.
The song 'Above All' doesn't keep things God centered but more man centered. The song has a nice feel to it, but the lyrics need to be reworked or avoided

"Above all", as in the original drives to a man centered ending It is not all about us. There are yet other reasons
As it stands most people hear it as saying Jesus was thinking of me above all other concerns. It's true that the elect were in His mind before time began. It's not true we were the chief end of God. A means to the chief ends, perhaps..... I would skip the song.
The counter intuitive truth is that when we make it all about God we are happier and most satisfied.

"He leads me in paths of righteousness for His names sake' Psalms
"I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake; and I will not remember thy sins." Isaiah
"I will act for My own sake, indeed, My own, for how can I be defiled? I will not give My glory to another." Isaiah
For your name’s sake, O LORD, preserve my life! In your righteousness bring my soul out of trouble! Psalms

It is true that showing mercy in Christ is near the apex of God's glory, and while we are the happy recipients of being near the apex we are not the apex.
A good discussion is in "The End for which God made the world" by Jonathan Edward

The problem is going for the nice feel and leaving misleading impressions like 'It's all about me'
Jer 14:21 For the sake of your name do not despise us; do not dishonor your glorious throne. Remember your covenant with us and do not break it.

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Unread 07-14-2014, 06:29 PM   #199
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I just read through 14 pages of this discussion. I miss the "old days"...kind of.

And just to add to the necromancy, the early 2000s did seem to be ripe with songs containing theologically odd lyrics.
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Unread 07-15-2014, 10:00 AM   #200
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Worship leaders need to be concerned with what impressions they are leaving and how they are shaping thinking and feeling.
The song 'Above All' doesn't keep things God centered but more man centered. The song has a nice feel to it, but the lyrics need to be reworked or avoided

"Above all", as in the original drives to a man centered ending It is not all about us. There are yet other reasons
As it stands most people hear it as saying Jesus was thinking of me above all other concerns. It's true that the elect were in His mind before time began. It's not true we were the chief end of God. A means to the chief ends, perhaps..... I would skip the song.
The counter intuitive truth is that when we make it all about God we are happier and most satisfied.

"He leads me in paths of righteousness for His names sake' Psalms
"I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake; and I will not remember thy sins." Isaiah
"I will act for My own sake, indeed, My own, for how can I be defiled? I will not give My glory to another." Isaiah
For your names sake, O LORD, preserve my life! In your righteousness bring my soul out of trouble! Psalms

It is true that showing mercy in Christ is near the apex of God's glory, and while we are the happy recipients of being near the apex we are not the apex.
A good discussion is in "The End for which God made the world" by Jonathan Edward

The problem is going for the nice feel and leaving misleading impressions like 'It's all about me'
Jer 14:21 For the sake of your name do not despise us; do not dishonor your glorious throne. Remember your covenant with us and do not break it.
I don't like the song, but I think it's fairly innoccuous. Sure it's kind of self-centered but isn't it kind of a different way of stating John 3:16? He gave his only son that whosoever believes would not perish... That's the point of the song. I dont' think it's "the reason for creation is because of me myself and I"
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Unread 07-15-2014, 02:38 PM   #201
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Its a pretty old song isint it? Do churches still play it?
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I don't recall playing that song any time within the past ten years.
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Its a pretty old song isint it? Do churches still play it?
The last time I heard it, granted I don't go to church as much as I should and when I did the church I was attending played songs most people have probably never heard of (it was a hipster church, and no that wasn't a hipster joke but it would work for their music), was probably right after Michael W. Smith's version got a lot of play. I think that was like 2005.
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Its a pretty old song isint it? Do churches still play it?
My home church does it every few months, we changed the line "and thought of him above all"

My current church does it like once a year it seems, and the line is "and rose to be above all"
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I've never particularly liked that song. Aside from the potentially questionable end of the chorus, it's melody and arrangement always felt like it was more of a "performance" song than a congregational song. To me it screams "let's get the prettiest girl in the music team to sing it solo as a performance."

That said, I'm sure there are worse songs out there that are being used in a congregational context.
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Its a pretty old song isint it? Do churches still play it?
I haven't heard it in a long time.



ON A DIFFERENT NOTE...based on the first 10 pages of this thread, I was kind of unpleasant with people I disagreed with 10 years ago.
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ON A DIFFERENT NOTE...based on the first 10 pages of this thread, I was kind of unpleasant with people I disagreed with 10 years ago.
This made me lulz.
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This made me lulz.
Haha

It's really kind of weird to read. I agree with what I was saying. I agree with my reasoning. Just I said it in such an abrasive way. I actually remember this discussion.

Maybe I should go back and re-read a bunch threads to see all the people I need to apologize to.
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