[Chris]

Ok this topic was going on in the 5 favorite books thread and I decided to split it out. all posts on the subject should go here and all responses will be deleted/edited from the other thread regarding this topic.

Originally Posted by PiousPoet

Take The Lion King for example. That is so Macbeth plot.

Originally Posted by Chris

I always thought Lion King was Hamlet. You know, uncle kills his brother to take the throne, tries to do away with nephew to keep the throne, nephew challeges uncle to avenge father and take his rightful place.

Originally Posted by Rp_Bass

Also, The Lion King is a Macbeth story, (bad guy kills king/ rules for a while/ son of king comes and kills him) In Hamlet, everyone dies, so it can't be Hamlet.

However, it's Disney. No one but the villains die in Disney. And that's only half the time. I mean they changed the ending to the Little Mermaid to let her live. The Lion King shows the events that happened before the play begins. In Hamlet, his father comes to him as a ghost to tell him about everything and what he must do. In Lion King, Mufasa comes (as a ghost) and tells Simba what he must do.

[thelitguy]

In Hamlet, everyone dies, so it can't be Hamlet.

Everyone dies in the Hunchback of Notre Dame, but that didn't stop Disney, now did it?

[SupergirlOO6]

I think the Lion King fits Hamlet a little better, but it could really go either way depending on how you look at it.

[Rp_Bass]

Hm, I see your point. Hmmmm. Disney was making a Hamlet spinoff but changed the ending, thus making it a Macbeth spinoff. Accually, I have more proof that it is a Macbeth and not a Hamlet. In Macbeth, Duncans son allies with two other guys after his dad dies. Simba teams up with Timone and Pumba after Simbas dad dies... See the connection?

[beanbag]

in Macbeth, Lady Macbeth is greatly responsible for driving him to murder Duncan. in The Lion King, Simba acts on his own to avenge his father's death. I would say The Lion King is much more Hamlet than Macbeth. also...in Hamlet, the king (Hamlet's uncle) marries Hamlet's mother, as sort of happens in The Lion King, I think. (it's been a long time since I've seen it..)

[Rp_Bass]

Originally Posted by beanbag

in Macbeth, Lady Macbeth is greatly responsible for driving him to Duncan. in The Lion King, Simba acts on his own to avenge his father's . I would say The Lion King is much more Hamlet than Macbeth. also...in Hamlet, the king (Hamlet's uncle) marries Hamlet's mother, as sort of happens in The Lion King, I think. (it's been a long time since I've seen it..)

Simba isn't the example of Macbeth, Scar is. And Scar never marries Simba's mom. Also, Scar is goaded on by the Hiyenas, who are sortof Lady Macbeth.

[SupergirlOO6]

Originally Posted by beanbag

in Macbeth, Lady Macbeth is greatly responsible for driving him to murder Duncan. in The Lion King, Simba acts on his own to avenge his father's death.

NOOOO that's wrong!! Simba doesn't act on his own!!!!! aaahhh!! ok, anyway, this is my favorite disney movie (next to remember the titans, which is irrelevant.) go watch it!! get it straight! shesh. Scar kills Mufasa, not Simba, Scar BLAMS it on Simba

[PiousPoet]

Wow. i started a discussion. amazing. Um, yeah the Lion King is actually a bit closer to Macbeth in my mind. Sure there are some diffeerences, but it's closer than Hamlet.

Scar, the kinsman of the king kills Mufasa. Simba doesn't really act on his own to avenge his father's death. Timon and Pumba play a great deal in the role as well as the monkey.

[EDIT] The three main hyenas somewhat play the role of the three murderers that Macbeth hires to kill the one who would inherit the throne according to the fates. Hence Scar, sending the hyenas to kill Simba.

[Nathanael]

Definatly Hamlet. Simba sees his father's ghost.

[Shakespeare]

The three main hyenas somewhat play the role of the three murderers that Macbeth hires to kill the one who would inherit the throne according to the fates. Hence Scar, sending the hyenas to kill Simba.

The "three hyenas" or "the three weird sisters" really don't go hand in hand. The Three weird sisters were witches who fortold Macbeths fate, they never killed anybody, unless you add some poetic licsense.

[Chris]

ON the subject of Scar marrying/not marrying Sarabi (Simba's mom). While there's no actual marriage to speak of in the movie, Scar, taking the place of King, leaves Sarabi as the head of the lionesses. It's in this sense that they are "married".

Also, Scar kills his brother Mufasa. As stated Macbeth kills his kinsman (which could be a brother, an uncle, a nephew, a cousin of any obscurity. In Hamlet Claudius kills his brother.

And while the Hyena's didn't get killed through Simba's trickery, they can be compared to Rosencrantz and Gildenstern (or whatever their names are, it's been so long) for that moment in that, they were sent with Simba with the sole purpose of killing him. Again, it takes a bit of imagination since it's Disney and they take great creative liscence.

[Nathanael]

Originally Posted by Chris

And while the Hyena's didn't get killed through Simba's trickery, they can be compared to Rosencrantz and Gildenstern (or whatever their names are, it's been so long) for that moment in that, they were sent with Simba with the sole purpose of killing him. Again, it takes a bit of imagination since it's Disney and they take great creative liscence.

I like to think of Pumba and Timone being Rozencrantz and Gildenstern with a different purpose...

maybe the role could have been split over the Hyenas and them.

[Rp_Bass]

Good Gravy!!! This is twisted. Timone and Pumba could in NO WAY be Rozencrantz and Gildenstern, and Rozencrantz and Gildenstern were sent to KILL Hamlet, and Timone and Pumba HELP Hamlet. Also, the three Hyena's are sortof the weird sisters, sorta Lady Macbeth, and sorta the Assasins. They are the weird sisters for telling Scar that he will be king, they are Lady Macbeth for goading him on to kill Mafusa, and they are the Assasins as they were sent to kill Simba.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Rp_Bass

Good Gravy!!! This is twisted. Timone and Pumba could in NO WAY be Rozencrantz and Gildenstern, and Rozencrantz and Gildenstern were sent to KILL Hamlet, and Timone and Pumba HELP Hamlet. Also, the three Hyena's are sortof the weird sisters, sorta Lady Macbeth, and sorta the Assasins. They are the weird sisters for telling Scar that he will be king, they are Lady Macbeth for goading him on to kill Mafusa, and they are the Assasins as they were sent to kill Simba.

They NEVER told Scar he'd be king. HE told THEM that. I quote:

Originally Posted by Scar

Be prepared.

Originally Posted by Banzai

Yeah be prepared. We'll be prepared... for what?

Originally Posted by Scar

For the death of the king.

Originally Posted by Banzai

Why, is he sick?

Originally Posted by Scar

No, fool, we're gonna kill him, and Simba too.

Originally Posted by Shenzi

Great idea. Who needs a king?

Originally Posted by Hyenas

No king. No king. La la la la la la.

Originally Posted by Scar

There will be a king!

Originally Posted by Banzai

But you said tha-

Originally Posted by Scar

I will be king! Stick with me and you'll never go hungry again!

I could go on forever with that song.... Oh right. My point is that no one fortold Scar's murder of Mufasa. He had premeditated it, like Claudius.

[Akshay]

The "three hyenas" or "the three weird sisters" really don't go hand in hand. The Three weird sisters were witches who fortold Macbeths fate, they never killed anybody, unless you add some poetic licsense.

they hyenas were silly like the three weird sisters