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Old 08-30-2004, 07:57 PM   #31
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Apparently it is becoming increasingly typical to not worry about government policies on ethics and religion as long as they don't force you to do anything. The question is not whether I will have to marry a man, but whether the government is being Biblical. What should the government do? It should ban homosexual marriages, unions, and everything else homosexual.

Will it happen? No, at least not anytime soon. That shouldn't prevent us from pointing out who is right and who is wrong.
Yes, this is the best point in the thread. I'm very, very, caught in the middle of all this right now. I'm a Republican, but not so anti-gay. I guess Lee might say I am "riding the fence"... which is actually hardly true. But, and this is my point, people who say "Ahh, it doesn't affect me, who cares!" obviously have not thought about the issue enough. Too many Americans don't give a **** about anything until it starts affecting them... it is sickening. I now moved Jon Stewart even higher on my list of idiots...

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Old 08-31-2004, 09:01 AM   #32
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Kerry has said the same thing, "leave it to the states to decide", all the while winking at Massachusettes, "I'll get you out of this, we'll just change the state's constitution."
Kerry is in no way involved with the Massachusettes state constitution.

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This is how Kerry and the Democrats ride both sides of the fence as well. He makes it look like he cares and wins the "gay vote", all the while not really giving one **** about them.
Which is it? Is he gonna change state contitutions to allow gay marraige, or does he not care about homosexuals... you seem to be arguing contrary positions.
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Old 08-31-2004, 05:12 PM   #33
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Which is it? Is he gonna change state contitutions to allow gay marraige, or does he not care about homosexuals... you seem to be arguing contrary positions.
You seem to have completely misunderstood what I was saying. I never said he wanted to change the state constitution to allow gay marriages. If that is what I was saying I really wouldn't have had much of an argument. Instead, I was implying that he wanted Massachusettes to do the exact opposite, change it to make those marriages invalid. He does this all while "pretending" to support homosexuals... riding both sides of the fence.
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"A six-week trial over the issue yielded 'overwhelming evidence' establishing that intelligent design 'is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory,' said Jones, a Republican and a churchgoer appointed to the federal bench three years ago."

"People gave ear to an upstart astrologer who strove to show that the earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon…. This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth."
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"Those who assert that 'the earth moves and turns'...[are] motivated by 'a spirit of bitterness, contradiction, and faultfinding;' possessed by the devil, they aimed 'to pervert the order of nature.'"
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Something else... Kerry/Edwards had "no objection" to what happened in Missouri. Well of course he had no objection, it was the state saying "no". Kerry would much rather have 50 states (yes, he would like to see all 50) amend their constitution than one country. Of course, this is only so he can stay quiet about what he believes and win the gay vote.
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"A six-week trial over the issue yielded 'overwhelming evidence' establishing that intelligent design 'is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory,' said Jones, a Republican and a churchgoer appointed to the federal bench three years ago."

"People gave ear to an upstart astrologer who strove to show that the earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon…. This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth."
-Martin Luther

"Those who assert that 'the earth moves and turns'...[are] motivated by 'a spirit of bitterness, contradiction, and faultfinding;' possessed by the devil, they aimed 'to pervert the order of nature.'"
-John Calvin
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Old 08-31-2004, 05:27 PM   #35
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And most democrats would object to it, not because it's a tennis ball, but because it's a republican tennis ball.
lol...how true!
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Old 09-01-2004, 12:56 PM   #36
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This is just one more reason why I believe people are being totally duped by the Republican Party. They are trying to ride both sides of the fence and that is one reason why I just can't support them.


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Unfortunately, both parties are reflective of the societal direction of this country. I used to be a democrat for many years, but the democrat party in those years was a lot more conservative than even the republican party of today in many aspects. However, as the democrat party kept getting more liberal over the past one or two decades, I found my values were no longer those of the party. When I got married and had children, my values were more solidified (toward conservative values) and I found that the republican platform best represented my beliefs. Over the recent years, I have seen the pressures of the erosion of moral values force this party toward a more central direction. I have never considered it a party of Christians - more of a political party that most closely aligned with my values. Of course, there will be those in the party that we will disagree with, but for the most part, I agree with much of the platform. I contrast this with the democrat party which I hardly see anything that I would agree with - so my choice is clear.

Thus, while it is not an ideal situation, it is politics. If you are truly passionate about this, my suggestion is that we all need to pray for the direction of the country and for its leadership. We cannot trust in men, that would be foolish. I would also encourage each one to get involved in the process by getting involved in politics by working in a campaign. It will be an eye-opener as I have found out.
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Something else... Kerry/Edwards had "no objection" to what happened in Missouri. Well of course he had no objection, it was the state saying "no". Kerry would much rather have 50 states (yes, he would like to see all 50) amend their constitution than one country. Of course, this is only so he can stay quiet about what he believes and win the gay vote.
bump...

No replies? Or is Kerry still the best choice if gay rights is *your* number one voting issue?
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"A six-week trial over the issue yielded 'overwhelming evidence' establishing that intelligent design 'is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory,' said Jones, a Republican and a churchgoer appointed to the federal bench three years ago."

"People gave ear to an upstart astrologer who strove to show that the earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon…. This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth."
-Martin Luther

"Those who assert that 'the earth moves and turns'...[are] motivated by 'a spirit of bitterness, contradiction, and faultfinding;' possessed by the devil, they aimed 'to pervert the order of nature.'"
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