Who would you/are you going to vote for?

JerryLove · 08-26-2004, 10:22 AM

Sometimes it's not the magistrate:

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

Travis · 08-26-2004, 11:33 AM

The fact that men stone the individual by no means indicates that it wasn't a judgment handed down by the civil magistrate. Yes, the accuser and sometimes others stone the convicted person, but the magistrate must rule for execution first.

punkrox102 · 08-26-2004, 11:43 AM

not old enough to vote but i would vote for bush all the way

anathema · 08-26-2004, 12:16 PM

These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue and hands that shed innocent blood; An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief; A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethern." (Prov. 6:16-19)

First off, I am cynical by nature. So my biting remarks are sometimes knee jerk reactions.

I still think my problem is with TRAVIS. Jerry has come in and offered his wisdom each time more eloquently than I ever could. Jerry it seems isnt an extremeist in his beliefs like TRAVIS.

Also, I would think if Travis isnt spearheading the genocide of homosexuals (which was meant partly in jest), then he should be trying to change the 'local magistrate' so THEY can spearhead the genocide of homosexuals if he feels so strongly about it. I mean, sitting by idly while God's laws go unpunished (in his view, not mine) cant be good can it? If you are that passionate about wanting to see homosexuals killed for their abominations, then DO something. Petition or something. Arguing about it on the internet isnt getting it any closer to DONE.

Also, interesting definition of 'magistrate'
magistrate means an officer having power to issue a warrant for the arrest of a person charged with a public offense —Arizona Revised Statutes
So in my state, a regular police officer could hand down the stoning sentance for homosexuals. Good for them. Obviously not Gods law, but a modern interpretation of it I think. The state has given power to its police officers to 'magistrate'.

What else can I say here? I still think you are wrong in your beliefs. That is my personal conviction and opinion. I would rather go feed the homeless in love than protest at an abortion clinic. That sums me up right there. I would rather make a difference by action than argue about things that may never come to be on the internet. I cant sit by and not voice my opinion however cynical it may be. Changing peoples lives through love is point #1, I just cant see any love in TRAVIS' rhetoric, demeanor or lawyering.

JerryLove · 08-26-2004, 02:09 PM

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The fact that men stone the individual by no means indicates that it wasn't a judgment handed down by the civil magistrate.

1. There is no Judgement listed... just a requirement that the claim be made in front of the elders of the town.
2. It's made in front of the elders of the town... that's spelled out.

There is no mention of trail or ruling or a magistrate or decision of guilt or anything.. merely a process the parents must follow.

KyleJackson · 08-28-2004, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by +Donny

Homosexuality is an abomination and unrepentant homosexuals should be excommunicated. According to the OT, homosexuals were to be stoned.

According to the New Testament, we are to love them with all our hearts souls and minds. If you were to go out and Stone a homosexual person. You think God would be okay with that?

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Originally Posted by +Donny

Given all this, you call Bush a sinner for trying to pass a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriages? He isn't trying to drive them out of the country, or even flog them, let alone stone them, and you say he is sinfully hating them? I would hate to know what you think of God's stance on the issue.

God's stance on the issue? I think he wants to use Christians to save them and give them eternal life but most Christians hate them.

KyleJackson · 08-28-2004, 12:41 AM

Travis, you can keep throwing those OT scriptures out but you clearly do not have an understanding of the God's heart. You are just like the pharisees.

Bryan · 08-29-2004, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KyleJackson

Travis, you can keep throwing those OT scriptures out but you clearly do not have an understanding of the God's heart. You are just like the pharisees.

look, you may not agree with Travis' opinion, but that does not give you the right to attack him and call him legalistic. You have no idea what legalism is.

You owe Travis an apology.

JerryLove · 08-29-2004, 11:07 AM

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look, you may not agree with Travis' opinion, but that does not give you the right to attack him and call him legalistic. You have no idea what legalism is.

The term "legalist" does not appear anywhere on this page until you say it. I hardly see that there has been name-calling, or therefore reason for apology. It seems Kyle believes that Travis is making the same error that the Pharisis did. Wheather true or false, this is a valid opinion, and I'm unclear on how you feel it was inapprorpiately expressed.

Bryan · 08-29-2004, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

The term "legalist" does not appear anywhere on this page until you say it. I hardly see that there has been name-calling, or therefore reason for apology. It seems Kyle believes that Travis is making the same error that the Pharisis did. Wheather true or false, this is a valid opinion, and I'm unclear on how you feel it was inapprorpiately expressed.

when one says "you are just like the pharisees" it implies legalism and it is a derogitory remark.

KyleJackson · 08-29-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan

when one says "you are just like the pharisees" it implies legalism and it is a derogitory remark.

Exactly. And I know what legalism is.

Bryan · 08-29-2004, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleJackson

Exactly. And I know what legalism is.

which is why you shouldn't make it. It is an insult and is hardly loving your neighbor as yourself.

JerryLove · 08-29-2004, 07:47 PM

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which is why you shouldn't make it. It is an insult and is hardly loving your neighbor as yourself.

An interesting point... how many people here would choose to have themselves killed by the civil magistrate?

I wonder if there's anyone else on this thread not loving others as he does himself.

anathema · 08-30-2004, 04:11 PM

its certain TRAVIS isnt loving us as much as he loves himself...

*anathema*

grand_master_d · 08-30-2004, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by anathema

its certain TRAVIS isnt loving us as much as he loves himself...

*anathema*

Well if I can add to the fun, you guys are all being stupid... quite stupid.

Horrible insults (by that I mean not even funny, or half insulting... just lame)...
Made up, biased, assumptions of other people...
Capitalizing people's names for no reason...
Failure to respond to the few, "good" points that were actually made...

Anyways, you guys are dumb... so stop it. I'll be voting for Bush.