Why are we here?

psalm63adam · 09-02-2004, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Qingu

Sans Christians, he created us so he could take delight in torturing us on earth (see most of Deuteronomy), and then throw us into hell where we will be tortured for all eternity. Glory to Yahweh the just and moral ... NOT.

I'm going to give you a warning here, Qingu. I don't care if you spout off your atheistic viewpoints on life, the universe and general - but I do care that you bring something to the table in these conversations other than "God's a meanie", or other stuff that really doesn't contribute to the discussion.

Qingu · 09-02-2004, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by parkway

I'm going to give you a warning here, Qingu. I don't care if you spout off your atheistic viewpoints on life, the universe and general - but I do care that you bring something to the table in these conversations other than "God's a meanie", or other stuff that really doesn't contribute to the discussion.

Care to discuss how he didn't create most of us for eternal torture?

psalm63adam · 09-02-2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Qingu

Care to discuss how he didn't create most of us for eternal torture?

Well, since I'm an Arminian, that would be a boring discussion.

Qingu · 09-02-2004, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by parkway

Well, since I'm an Arminian, that would be a boring discussion.

Ah. Touche. Or however you spell that.

sgary · 09-02-2004, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Qingu

Care to discuss how he didn't create most of us for eternal torture?

If I told you that you were a million years old in the first earth age, and agreed to follow Satan, (because he lied to God's children, you being one of them) then in the secound earth age, (now) you are flesh, you are given another chance to follow God, and you refuse? How could you do anything in the third earth age, (the one to come) you'll be judged and gone! SO tell me why, should I say anything. (I love the Lord & I'll not put pearls before pigs)(Unless you want to change) Think about it. sgary

**Sean** · 09-02-2004, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by parkway

Well, since I'm an Arminian, that would be a boring discussion.

...that doesn't really resolve the issue unless you're actually suggesting that God isn't sovereign.

Qingu · 09-02-2004, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sgary

If I told you that you were a million years old in the first earth age, and agreed to follow Satan, (because he lied to God's children, you being one of them) then in the secound earth age, (now) you are flesh, you are given another chance to follow God, and you refuse? How could you do anything in the third earth age, (the one to come) you'll be judged and gone! SO tell me why, should I say anything. (I love the Lord & I'll not put pearls before pigs)(Unless you want to change) Think about it. sgary

I am thinking about it. I don't understand what the hell you are talking about. Are you a mormon or something? And what does this have to do with anything?

exo · 09-02-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Qingu

Sans Christians, he created us so he could take delight in torturing us on earth (see most of Deuteronomy), and then throw us into hell where we will be tortured for all eternity. Glory to Yahweh the just and moral ... NOT.

Qingu,

I must ask on behalf of all of us here that you refrain from making such comments in the future. The Theology is a forum to debate theology. It is not a place to make ad hominem attacks and cute one liners attacking others point of view. I would ask that you respect this forum for what it is and, instead of commenting as above, make cogent arguments for your position.

Thank you.

psalm63adam · 09-02-2004, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

...that doesn't really resolve the issue unless you're actually suggesting that God isn't sovereign.

Sure, God is sovereign.

But I don't believe that He created people specifically so he can torture them in hell.

Therefore, in my belief, his sovereignty and his other characteristics, including his nature (God is love) are in harmony, not in conflict.

**Sean** · 09-02-2004, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by parkway

Sure, God is sovereign.

But I don't believe that He created people specifically so he can torture them in hell.

Therefore, in my belief, his sovereignty and his other characteristics, including his nature (God is love) are in harmony, not in conflict.

I don't see how that divorces our sovereign God from the consequences of His creation if He knew that a vast majority of His creatures would end up in Hell.