[Brad C.]

Originally Posted by Major Tom

Brad, take a deep breath. relax...

[spmantar]

[Casey]

Originally Posted by anathema

well, its fully scalable, you can practice with a half stack now, and when you are on stage rockin in 5-7 years, you can have the full stack and all the power and sound you need. its a good investment, who knows how much a marshall full stack will be in the year 2009 or 2011?

*anathema*

Other than the argument on quality of Marshall's recent amps...

Other than the fact that you're asking if Tube amps will still be expensive in a few years...

He specifically asked for something small and cheap. Your answer was, well, not an answer to his question.

Case

P.S.- If you want to address those first two things do it in another thread.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I believe it was Brad who said something about the technology being so much better in the future.

In that case:
Brad- People still buy Tube amps from the 60's, and I'm sure before that even. the point is, Tube technology is generally preferred over Solid State or modeling. The last thing I want to do as a mod of this forum though, is take this thread on a bunny trail. In your quest for gear and tone as a beginner, I'd suggest you read the 'Tube Snobbery' thread, an expecially informative post on amps. Also, 'How to Buy an Amp' is a great thread.

[Major Tom]

Originally Posted by Brad C.

That's better. Now you can actually absorb the verbage of the posts. As an old guy, I am somewhat envious of your youthful frenetic energy though. Ah, youth is wasted on the young.

The mexican Fenders are not designated by Fender as "MIM". As an example, a standard mexican strat is called the "Standard Stratocaster" as opposed to "American Standard Stratocaster" or "Squier Standard Stratocaster". Certain other mexican models have various names, but MIM or Mexican is not part of it's name.

Seriously, why not get one locally - that way you can take it back if you have questions about set up or operation and get someone to look at it. As far as price, you should be able to negotiate the same price as a net dealer.

[Rainer.]

Originally Posted by Flyguy

Um, he said it had a 10" speaker...

And actually 10 watts gets pretty loud if you are only playing in your room.

And it disappears quite fast when you leave that room.

Unless it's a 10 watt tube amp. In which case it can probably be quite loud enough.

I am thinking, by then, the amps, will be CHEAP, because they will be advancing in technology, so the amp technology, they have now, would be dirt in 5-7 years probably.

Nope. In fact, the "advanced technology" going into making tube amps now is mainly 50-60 yrs. old. Guitarists tend to be a very conservative bunch when it comes to their tube amps. However, your little solid state amp might be trash in 10 years or so. But my 6 yr. old Valvestate still sounds great compared to a lot of other amps. Think of it this way. It'll sound the same now as it'll sound 10 years from now. The tubes will still sound great, the solid state amps will be obsolete.

[PianoMan]

Originally Posted by rainer123

Nope. In fact, the "advanced technology" going into making tube amps now is mainly 50-60 yrs. old. Guitarists tend to be a very conservative bunch when it comes to their tube amps. However, your little solid state amp might be trash in 10 years or so. But my 6 yr. old Valvestate still sounds great compared to a lot of other amps. Think of it this way. It'll sound the same now as it'll sound 10 years from now. The tubes will still sound great, the solid state amps will be obsolete.

Can I quote this to you in 10 years if/when technology has come out to digitally model a tube amp exactly and are now the standard as they are more reliable and stable? (Either that or a better sounding method of amp building is out...who knows!)

[Captain Canada]

get a Fender Frontman 15R or 15G AMP it funs about $80-100 and if you're worryied about volume- stop this'll get plenty loud enough and since you want a band in a few years (rock on) then don't even think about a 30watt or even up to a 50-75 watt start at a 100watt (one speaker) and you'll have a bit of trouble equilizing with your drummer. hope that cleared it up.

[Rainer.]

get a Fender Frontman 15R or 15G AMP it funs about $80-100 and if you're worryied about volume- stop this'll get plenty loud enough and since you want a band in a few years (rock on) then don't even think about a 30watt or even up to a 50-75 watt start at a 100watt (one speaker) and you'll have a bit of trouble equilizing with your drummer. hope that cleared it up.

I've used a Frontman 15R to jam with a drummer. Just me and him. It didn't work that well. The amp simply isn't powerful enough.

Originally Posted by PianoMan

Can I quote this to you in 10 years if/when technology has come out to digitally model a tube amp exactly and are now the standard as they are more reliable and stable? (Either that or a better sounding method of amp building is out...who knows!)

Sure. I'm saying that in 10 years, your solid state amp that you own right now (today) will sound like trash.

[SenorPapaCabasa]

i had a marshall 65 watt valvestate amp once, it was a good practice amp. it got reasonably loud, but not too loud. i payed 150 for it off ebay.