satan's confusion

Dream_Theater · 07-08-2004, 08:18 PM

I am baffled by the variety of denominations ... shouldn't there be only one kind of Christianity? ... is this satan's confusion? or am I missing something?

bobthecockroach · 07-08-2004, 08:47 PM

Should be, yes. I wouldn't blame it all on Satan though. I'd blame on people not taking the Bible seriously enough and not studying it enough.

Mike Graham · 07-08-2004, 08:56 PM

It would be great to not have the denominational lines we do, but not reasonable. With different teachings on Baptism, Salvation, the Lord's Supper, style of worship, matters of the end times, drinking, the Covenants, Hell, Heaven, sin, orthodoxy, etc., it is simply not reasonable. For practical disagreements, we seperate ourselves in some ways. I would not be as apt to blame Satan as the flesh, I would think.

This does not mean we have no unity. We are baptized into the same Christ, the same Body (1 Cor 12:13, Coloss 2:12) and commune with each other in partaking of His flesh (1 Corinthians 10:16).

1moreSoul · 07-12-2004, 10:05 PM

Yes there should be only one, but indeed satan has confused the Church and destroyed it. For example, let's say baptist or whatever, they are confused about worship, they kill the part about losing your pride jumping around for what the Lord has done, having a heart like David (Psalms) a worshipers heart

07-15-2004, 06:00 PM

I am baptist, but Whenever people ask me what denomination i am i always say "non" just toa void the discussions that go along with it, and i think everyone knows what i am talking about... but anyway, shouldnt christians, like some one said before in the forum, follow the same "guidelines..."? i mean in my opinion, we should either follow the BIBLE, or not follow it... i think it is pretty clear...
i actually heard of something that went on in a church, where the preacher and the deacons had a meating and the preacher made them vote... either to follow the bible or not follow the bible... and when the vote had finished it came out like 60% saying NO. i still can't believe it... i don't understand it... i guess has to do with prejudiceness.. or whatever...

all i have to say is... i "try" to follow God's word... im a christian... and i think all the names we put infront of that are unnecesary... really.

church polotix sux... Jesus Saves.

SoccerAaron · 07-15-2004, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 1moreSoul

For example, let's say baptist or whatever, they are confused about worship

According to you.
I think many people would say that the G12 model isn't a good thing.
People always disagree, thus we have denominations.

07-16-2004, 02:51 AM

in general... we are missing the point. Jesus saves.

07-16-2004, 03:00 AM

I just want to share something i've been seeing in the other forums. Beside the whole thing about all the different denominations... apparantly (haha )for some reason every denomination has a sub-denomination... like in the Baptis forum, someone asked "what kind of Baptist are you?..."

I really dont get it... CHRISTIANS... it's not that complex... even us non-denomenationals, are a denomination now... hahah..

Jesus Saves.

**Sean** · 07-16-2004, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 1moreSoul

Yes there should be only one, but indeed satan has confused the Church and destroyed it. For example, let's say baptist or whatever, they are confused about worship, they kill the part about losing your pride jumping around for what the Lord has done, having a heart like David (Psalms) a worshipers heart

I'm sure there are far more important issues than something based so much on opinion like jumping around.

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Yes there should be only one, but indeed satan has confused the Church and destroyed it.

How do you know it was satan and not just us being our sinful, fallen selves?

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Originally Posted by Dream_Theater

I am baffled by the variety of denominations ... shouldn't there be only one kind of Christianity? ... is this satan's confusion? or am I missing something?

I wouldn't give Satan that much credit. Sure he's decieved people and has his part, but the responsibility must fall on fallen man. We do enough on our own to divide ourselves. There really is nothing baffling about it. We're fallen, thus we divide. Most people can't decide what topping to put on a pizza. How could we expect them to all have perfect harmony in regards to religion and biblical interpretation?

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Originally Posted by Travis

I am baptist, but Whenever people ask me what denomination i am i always say "non" just toa void the discussions that go along with it, and i think everyone knows what i am talking about... but anyway, shouldnt christians, like some one said before in the forum, follow the same "guidelines..."? i mean in my opinion, we should either follow the BIBLE, or not follow it... i think it is pretty clear...

Most all denominations would claim to follow the Bible as their soul authority. However, they all disagree on how to interpret scripture.

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I just want to share something i've been seeing in the other forums. Beside the whole thing about all the different denominations... apparantly (haha )for some reason every denomination has a sub-denomination... like in the Baptis forum, someone asked "what kind of Baptist are you?..."

The term "baptist" refers to a several specific beliefs regarding doctrine and church government. The sub-groups denote disagreeing over other doctrines and beliefs.

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I really dont get it... CHRISTIANS... it's not that complex... even us non-denomenationals, are a denomination now... hahah..

1. What isn't to get? We're fallen creatures. We naturally divide ourselves into like minded people. We will never completely agree til glorification.

2. The Bible really is complex. Its very long and very indepth. There is so much to be taken into account when interpretting scripture.

3. Denominations help us to ID segments of Christianity that are well outside the orthodox and in fact are supporting sin through their doctrine ("homosexual pastors"). I could list more obvious problems in some denominations but then I'd probably get in a decate with someone over it.

07-16-2004, 09:50 AM

you know i really didn't mean "i dont get it".. its kinda like "wow"... and no its not that complex budy.

Jesus Saves

**Sean** · 07-16-2004, 11:23 AM

...then you're simplifying it.

Dream_Theater · 07-18-2004, 05:47 PM

The devil likes to disunite us so that our witnessing capabilities are weakened. How can someone believe what those Christians proclaim as the truth if they can't even be united with one another? "May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

Based on Jesus' prayer ( John 17: 20 - 23 ), I can only conclude that there are so many denominations because we let the devil into our churches. We live in confusion, not even recognizing truth. We need to refocus our attention on Jesus, and on Him alone. We need to lift up His Word and follow It.

The fact that there are so many denominations creates confusion in our world and weakens our testimony. After all, why should the world believe us when we can't even agree with one another?
Rob Chaffart.

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I wouldn't give Satan that much credit. Sure he's decieved people and has his part, but the responsibility must fall on fallen man. We do enough on our own to divide ourselves. There really is nothing baffling about it. We're fallen, thus we divide. Most people can't decide what topping to put on a pizza. How could we expect them to all have perfect harmony in regards to religion and biblical interpretation?

I give satan equal credit, ultimately it is our choice but without satan there would be no division ... satan plants the seed and man bears it fruit. The Bible if we use a similar anology is like the perfect pizza recipe why then do we make slight changes? to make our lives more convenient? these perversions of the original recipe bring indigestion

amongst us ... its unrealistic but imagine a a single global church ... simply the church of the Bible perhaps where we all follow the word of God without corruption or confusion imagine the unity we would and should feel as Christians imagine it being more than a dream ...

**Jeffrey** · 07-18-2004, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 1moreSoul

Yes there should be only one, but indeed satan has confused the Church and destroyed it.

Satan has destroyed, that is, overcome the Church? This is news to me.

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let's say baptist or whatever, they are confused about worship, they kill the part about losing your pride jumping around for what the Lord has done, having a heart like David (Psalms) a worshipers heart

Oh, heavens to Sid. This was intended as a joke, correct?

bible thumper · 07-18-2004, 10:21 PM

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...then you're simplifying it.

Why does it have to be so difficult to you? Does everything have to be a debate?

As far as I am concerned denominational walls were put up in order to make the believer comfortable by humans for humans. they call that humanism and is ultimatly a work of satan to bring division to the church for where a house is devided against itself, it will fall! satan comes to steal, kill and destroy and especially the church! So watch your donkey because we are always at war!
In Christ, Will

1moreSoul · 07-20-2004, 03:59 PM

So Sean tells me "I'm sure there are far more important issues than something based so much on opinion like jumping around."

Yes of course, it's just an example like I said and we need more than to just work on a worshipers heart. We need the Holy Spirit in our lives, we need correction of what is what. Our churches are so messed up that some churches are letting gay people lead their church. That is against the bible.