[Univ. Student]

Angel is literally "messenger."

[bobthecockroach]

I see how it COULD sound like that but it doesn't to me. In any event, try this. Do a search on "hell" and see how many "go to hell's" you get. It seems to me that not wanting to sing this song because of a possible negative connotation to that phrase is roughly equivalent to a child's reluctance to say the word "hell" even in church.

Also consider that "do" rhymes with "you" and "always" doesn't.

[Strat_dude]

Another thing to consider is that Delirious often uses phrases that we Americans find slightly odd. There have been a lot of times when I was listening to their music and came across something that just didn't quite make sense. But after thinking about it, I came to the conclusion that it must just be a cultural thing, and that they don't really mean everything they say in the way I'm inclined to interpret it.

You called me to your purpose
As angels understand

That seems alright to me. Angels understand our purpose, angels understand that we were called to that purpose, I dunno.

What's up with all the smilies in Santa hats?

[Bri-Guy]

Originally Posted by Xakep_INC

As far as I am aware, and from what I saw at the site of the artist who wrote the song, the correct lyrics are:
"Praise Adonai
from the rising of the sun
to the end of every day
Praise Adonai
all the nations of the earth
all the angels and the saints"

I don't see any problem with the chorus

That's what I have seen too.

This is a very important topic and we all might wonder why a songwriter would say that. Well, speaking of Above All specifically, Paul Baloche said something along these lines about it on his message boards. He said that when he was writing Above All, the songwriter in him thought it sounded good. Whether or not you agree with it theologically is up to you...you can sing it or not, there are plenty more worship songs out there to sing.

Point is...worship...don't over analyze the music. Get to the heart of what the music is saying and worship God in that Spirit.

[Jared]

Originally Posted by Danny

But is it really worship, by definition?

There are lots of Hebrew words for worship that mean ask, beg, beseech, desire, enquire, request, etc...

The first that comes to mind is baqash. I'll get back to you later with more.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Jared

There are lots of Hebrew words for worship that mean ask, beg, beseech, desire, enquire, request, etc...

The first that comes to mind is baqash. I'll get back to you later with more.

...baqash is never translated "worship."

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/...45&version=nas
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/...45&version=kjv

[nolidad]

What worship songs, hymns, etc would you consider not doctrinally sound and why? A lot of times we sing songs and don't really think about the meanings behind them. What songs out there have lyrics that don't match up biblically?

Well looking at all the posts--This has gone from a thread about what constitutes a good worship/praise song/s to what people like and don't like.

It doesn't matter how paraphrased a song is from scripture, it doesn't matter if it waters verses down somewhat, it doesn't matter if what we sing is true (like in all I do I honort you) if it is something we are striving for in our lives. If it causes us to worship or praise or rejoice in HIm-- As long as it doesnot violate scripture--it is wonderful.

All the complaints I have seen on the thread revovle mopre on taste issues and personal points on lyrics rather than real doctrinal problems. Different strokes for different folks in th ebody. That is why there are so many Christian songs in so many different tempos.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by nolidad

It doesn't matter how paraphrased a song is from scripture, it doesn't matter if it waters verses down somewhat, it doesn't matter if what we sing is true (like in all I do I honort you) if it is something we are striving for in our lives. If it causes us to worship or praise or rejoice in HIm-- As long as it doesnot violate scripture--it is wonderful.

JESUS THE CHRIST THE SON OF GOD, OUR REDEEMER, RESTORER AND LORD DISAGREES WITH YOU.

THE WORD OF GOD, THE WORD OF CHRIST JESUS:

John 4:24 (ESV)
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."


It most certainly is not good enough simply because the person is "worshipping." That would be worshiping in spirit ALONE. We must speak truth in our worship as Christ Jesus demanded that we must. If we ignore "truth" in our worship we are in direct violation of the words of Jesus the Christ.

[Dr. Worm]

I think God most certainly cares about how He is worshipped.

Leviticus 10
1 Now Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took their respective firepans, and after putting fire in them, placed incense on it and offered strange fire before the LORD, which He had not commanded them.
2 And fire came out from the presence of the LORD and consumed them, and they died before the LORD

These guys made an offering to God, but not in accordance with God's commands. It wasn't enough that they were worshipping. It is not a matter of different strokes for different folks. It is a matter of God's strokes for God. Worship without truth is not worship at all.

[PrfctlyImprfct]

Definitely Dr. Worm. We know God cares about how He is worshiped we know how He wants to be worshiped.

John 4:21-24
"Jesus declared, 'Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worhsip what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is comign and how now come when the TRUE WORSHIPERS WILL WORHSIP THAT FATHER IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH, FOR THEY ARE THE KIND OF WORSHIPERS THE FATHER SEEKS. God is spirit, and his worshipers MUST WORSHIP IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH."

p.s. sorry Sean i missed your post, but apparently you and i were thinking on the same lines.

[Epaphras]

From the tread "Modern P&W":

Originally Posted by Sean

Lets compare some modern praise and worship to some hymns. Lets see what we get.....

MODERN: Trading My Sorrows

Yes Lord, Yes Lord, Yes Yes Lord (4x)


HYMN: Rock of Ages

Not the labor of my hands
Can fulfill Thy law’s demands;
Could my zeal no respite know,
Could my tears forever flow,
All for sin could not atone;
Thou must save, and Thou alone.


MODERN: Prepare the Way

Prepare the way of the Lord (4x)
Jesus (16X)

HYMN - A Mighty Fortress is Our God

Did we in our own strength confide, our striving would be losing;
Were not the right Man on our side, the Man of God’s own choosing:
Dost ask who that may be? Christ Jesus, it is He;
Lord Sabaoth, His Name, from age to age the same,
And He must win the battle.


MODERN: Sweep Me Away

Suddenly I feel you holding me (4x)
Sweep Me Away (4x)

HYMN - Doxology

Praise God, from Whom all blessings flow;
Praise Him, all creatures here below;
Praise Him above, ye heavenly host;
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.


MODERN - MADLY

And I'm madly in love with you (4x)
Let what we do in here fill the streets out there
Let us dance for you, let us dance for you


HYMN: Holy Holy Holy

Holy, holy, holy! though the darkness hide Thee,
Though the eye of sinful man Thy glory may not see;
Only Thou art holy; there is none beside Thee,
Perfect in power, in love, and purity.

My response:

Modern P&W has lost almost all relevance for God. All you modern P&W lovers out there: read Genesis 1-2, Job 38-41, and Revelation. Our LORD is not just a God of comfort, security, and joy. He is a God of power, righteousness, sovereignty, and justice. The LORD our God is huge beyond measure, and He deserves the best of our praise. Think about those passages the next time you sing "I wanna dance in the river" 16 times and call it praise. Remember Cain and Abel? Abel offered an acceptable sacrifice. Cain did not. What are you offering to God when you sing "I wanna dance in the river" 16 times? Fluff? Or substance? Are you offering God your firstfruits, your spotless firstborn lambs, or are you offering your leftovers, your sub-par worship? Is God not worthy of the best we have to offer? I challenge you all to weigh the lyrics of modern P&W against the Supreme Authority of Scripture, to be sure it is an acceptable offering to God.

I think it applies nicely to the topic at hand

[Becky]

those hymes really can't be compared to the modern P&W songs you mentioned, it's like compairing apples with organes. they are both fruit/songs.. they aren't even on the same topics! Yea, it's awesome to sing about how awesome God is.. actually, great MODERN praise song... Awesome God. That talks about how awesome and powerful God is..

but anyways,

Here's what we have so far
Theologically bad worship songs:

Blessed assurance

I need you more

Above All
Amazing Love (in all I do, I honor you,)
We're Gonna Dance in the River
I Found Jesus
Did You Feel the Mountain Tremble?
Draw Me Close
In the Secret

"My Glorious"

Lift Jesus Higher

[bobthecockroach]

Heh, you got "in all I do, I honor You" on the wrong song there. In any event, it's an easy line to change and the rest of the song is great so I don't get what the big deal is.

[Becky]

Originally Posted by bobthecockroach

Heh, you got "in all I do, I honor You" on the wrong song there. In any event, it's an easy line to change and the rest of the song is great so I don't get what the big deal is.

right.. I knew that...


*coughwhichsongdoesitgowiththen???coughcough*

[Nate]

"Amazing Love" AKA "You Are My King", Becky.