[holyhardcore]

listen to they're only chasing safety...he's got pretty good range

dead poetic's vocalist has SICK range (he doesn't scream on their newest cd but he did on every other one)
spoken's vocalist has sick range
inhale/exhale's vocalist has sick range
chasing victory has sick range
demon hunter has a fairly large range it's just lower than the average vocalist (listen to fading away)
Red's has good range
emery's vocalists have decent range though not uber high...I think they're baritones
and as for blindside...I haven't seen them live and don't really like their music beyond about a burning fire anyway

and many vocalist don't have very high range cause they simply have a lower register than the average vocalists in music today (who often are counter tennors and therefore can basicaly sing like a woman) for instance I'm a baritone...so obviously I can't hit some of those sickly high notes but the interesting thing is I find that often it's easier to hit higher notes after screaming for a while...if anything my range has improved since I started screaming

oh and in my opinion 80s music stunk...though of course if seems like every generation thinks that of the former generation but the screaming of today is completely different than it was even in the 90s instead of something that was periodically used in songs (some more than others) it's now gotten to the point where a band can be all screaming and no singing and be fairly successful and have longevity

and axguitar just curious...do you listen to modern hardcore/screammo? (aild bta emery norma jean)

[thesteve]

Originally Posted by holyhardcore

listen to they're only chasing safety...he's got pretty good range

But is that Spencer or is that Aaron? I've been under the impression that Aaron has done the majority of the clean vocals for Underoath and that Dallas does the majority of the screaming.

and many vocalist don't have very high range cause they simply have a lower register than the average vocalists in music today (who often are counter tennors and therefore can basicaly sing like a woman) for instance I'm a baritone...so obviously I can't hit some of those sickly high notes but the interesting thing is I find that often it's easier to hit higher notes after screaming for a while...if anything my range has improved since I started screaming

My comments weren't about being able to hit high notes, just range in general.

and axguitar just curious...do you listen to modern hardcore/screammo? (aild bta emery norma jean)

hahahaha....well I'll let him answer that one I guess.

[Ax]

Originally Posted by thesteve

But is that Spencer or is that Aaron? I've been under the impression that Aaron has done the majority of the clean vocals for Underoath and that Dallas does the majority of the screaming.My comments weren't about being able to hit high notes, just range in general.

hahahaha....well I'll let him answer that one I guess.

ROFL! I almost shat my pants when I read that question.

I'll answer it when I get to his response... You are, however, correct, Spencer only screams and Aaron only sings.

Originally Posted by holyhardcore

listen to they're only chasing safety...he's got pretty good range

dead poetic's vocalist has SICK range (he doesn't scream on their newest cd but he did on every other one)
spoken's vocalist has sick range
inhale/exhale's vocalist has sick range
chasing victory has sick range
demon hunter has a fairly large range it's just lower than the average vocalist (listen to fading away)
Red's has good range
emery's vocalists have decent range though not uber high...I think they're baritones
and as for blindside...I haven't seen them live and don't really like their music beyond about a burning fire anyway

ROFL! You know, I've met Brandon Rike and have seen Dead Poetic live 4 times... And as big of a fan of New Medicines as I am, I can say that he has a fairly standard range for modern rock, nothing special. Brandon's lyrics are by far where he shines as a musician.

As for the rest, you've already discredited yourself...

and many vocalist don't have very high range cause they simply have a lower register than the average vocalists in music today (who often are counter tennors and therefore can basicaly sing like a woman) for instance I'm a baritone...so obviously I can't hit some of those sickly high notes but the interesting thing is I find that often it's easier to hit higher notes after screaming for a while...if anything my range has improved since I started screaming

ROFL, you again impress me with your knowledge. #1. Counter Tenor is a technique, and I know of very few people who use counter tenor in modern rock, actually I can't think of any... I'm a baritone, but I use counter tenor... The reason, btw, that you find it easier to hit high notes after you scream, is because you've been shredding your falsetto and you've warmed your chords up. If you did proper warm ups before you sing, you'd find yourself getting similar results, only without the very damaging side effects of screaming.

oh and in my opinion 80s music stunk...though of course if seems like every generation thinks that of the former generation but the screaming of today is completely different than it was even in the 90s instead of something that was periodically used in songs (some more than others) it's now gotten to the point where a band can be all screaming and no singing and be fairly successful and have longevity

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... I don't even know why I should dignify this with a response... You clearly have little or no idea of what music is and was... Btw, the last good screaming band was The Luti-Kriss, it's like after their breakup and reform, people forgot how to scream. And yes, they were infinitely better than Norma Jean.

and axguitar just curious...do you listen to modern hardcore/screammo? (aild bta emery norma jean)

I did listen to modern hardcore and screamo, in fact, I still listen to New Medicines and No Sir, Nihilism is not Practical like it's going out of style... but with bands like the Luti-Kriss turning themselves into crap and then Underoath releasing Define the Great Line, modern hardcore has lost all qualities of 'good'.

[holyhardcore]

according to wikipedia "A countertenor is an adult male who sings in an alto, mezzo-soprano or (more rarely) soprano range, often through use of falsetto, or sometimes natural head voice" it's a sub vocal range catigory that some guys have, not a technique

dallas taylor is gone spencer and aaron switched off often in only chasing safety in define the great line aaron does pretty much all the clean vocals

Brandon Rike has amazing range in vices

I know how to properly warm up...I was in a very good choir before my voice changed

ok you like 80s music...your musical oppinions just dropped by about 70 percent in my book

you don't even listen to hardcore metal or screammo...how can you actually have an educated opinion about screaming? try bands like as i lay dying, august burns red, oh sleeper and the chariot heck that's all that I feel like giving you right now

oh and luti-kris IS norma jean...there's not that big of a difference...not much has changed other than band members and the name

[Ax]

Originally Posted by holyhardcore

according to wikipedia "A countertenor is an adult male who sings in an alto, mezzo-soprano or (more rarely) soprano range, often through use of falsetto, or sometimes natural head voice" it's a sub vocal range catigory that some guys have, not a technique

dallas taylor is gone spencer and aaron switched off often in only chasing safety in define the great line aaron does pretty much all the clean vocals

Brandon Rike has amazing range in vices

I know how to properly warm up...I was in a very good choir before my voice changed

ok you like 80s music...your musical oppinions just dropped by about 70 percent in my book

you don't even listen to hardcore metal or screammo...how can you actually have an educated opinion about screaming? try bands like as i lay dying, august burns red, oh sleeper and the chariot heck that's all that I feel like giving you right now

oh and luti-kris IS norma jean...there's not that big of a difference...not much has changed other than band members and the name

ROFL!!!!!! Wow... #1. Your source of 'wikipedia' is super unreliable in things that aren't based off current events. If you wanna know more about Counter Tenor go read in the VAT. Freddy Mercury is the most notable counter tenor ever... and he was a Baritone... hmmm...

#2. I do like eighties music, and I have more than listened to my share of hardcore. You need to learn how to read entire posts and not pick and choose.

#3. The majority of Brandon's high vocals on vices were flat.

#4. All the clean vocals on They're Only Chasing Safety are done by Aaron Gillespie.

#5. I do listen to metal. You don't even know what metal is if you think that you've listed any metal bands.

#6. Norma Jean is not the Luti-Kriss. Any fan of the Luti-Kriss knows that they lost all their talent after the name change...

[holyhardcore]

coun·ter·ten·or /ˈkaʊntərˌtɛnər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[koun-ter-ten-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Music.
1. an adult male voice or voice part higher than the tenor.
2. a singer with such a voice; a high tenor.
Also called male alto.
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countertenor

adjective
1. of or being the highest male voice; having a range above that of tenor

noun
1. a male singer with a voice above that of a tenor
2. the highest adult male singing voice

is dictionary.com good enough for ya?

I didn't mean "metal" as in 12 stones or something... hardcore metal/metalcore what ever you want to call it

spencer does plenty of "clean" vocals if you actually listen to it

brandon has a great voice and you're jealous

80s music sucks in my opinion...it was good in your opinion...I don't think we need to discus this further

I wasn't really into hardcore while luti-kris was around but I can't distinguish much style difference between them and norma jean

and just curious...why do you think screaming damage your voice? what are the actual reasons? not just "it's screaming of course it damages your voice" and...do you actually know or are you just making a statement like that because it has happened to people?

[Ax]

Originally Posted by holyhardcore

coun·ter·ten·or /ˈkaʊntərˌtɛnər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[koun-ter-ten-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Music.
1. an adult male voice or voice part higher than the tenor.
2. a singer with such a voice; a high tenor.
Also called male alto.
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countertenor

adjective
1. of or being the highest male voice; having a range above that of tenor

noun
1. a male singer with a voice above that of a tenor
2. the highest adult male singing voice

is dictionary.com good enough for ya?

I didn't mean "metal" as in 12 stones or something... hardcore metal/metalcore what ever you want to call it

spencer does plenty of "clean" vocals if you actually listen to it

brandon has a great voice and you're jealous

80s music sucks in my opinion...it was good in your opinion...I don't think we need to discus this further

I wasn't really into hardcore while luti-kris was around but I can't distinguish much style difference between them and norma jean

and just curious...why do you think screaming damage your voice? what are the actual reasons? not just "it's screaming of course it damages your voice" and...do you actually know or are you just making a statement like that because it has happened to people?

Dictionary.com is a terrible source for music related issues.

12 Stones is also not metal.

Brandon's voice isn't great, it's average, you just like his tone and calling people jealous is flaming and will get you banned, you have been warned.

You said you lost respect for me because of my opinion, you need to grow up.

And finally, if you had read any of the previous conversation in this thread you'd know that the entire screaming sound is created from crashing your vocal chords together violently, and finally, I have a very good friend who's father is a ENT (Ear/Nose/Throat) Doctor who wouldn't let his son, who has a beautiful voice, join one of my last bands that was an experimental/hardcore band. (Btw, I do scream periodically with my new band.) ;-)

If you had read any of this my advice has always been that it is your throat and if you want to scream, do it with the knowledge that you are damaging your vocal chords.

Good day.

[holyhardcore]

since when is the dictionary unreliable?

ok I've done a little more research here on the internet and I've found that counter tenner means both a male with a vocal register higher than that of a tenner AND...a bass or baritone with a very strong falsetto that sounds more like your chest voice than the average singer

12 stones...disciple...daughtry... nickelback type metal...kapeesh?

ha ha it's called sarcasm buddy:-p...and if that's considered flaming I'm not sure I want to be part of this message board

is it not fairly normal that when you disagree with someone's tastes in a certain area in life to not respect their opinion in that area as much?...pretty sure that's just how life works...it's not saying you lose respect for the person...just their opinion on that certain issue

just because one "doctor" doesn't let his kid do it doesn't mean it's horrible...most voice teachers and related professions (at least as far as I know) haven't really looked at the positive evidence for screaming

the damage that ruins the majority of vocalists who lose their voice's voices (wrap your head around THAT sentence!) is caused by their vocal chords beating against each other irregularly (from what I've read at least)
http://www.wikihow.com/Properly-Stre...With-Screaming
they've got some pretty good advice there about screaming but just look at what Melissa cross teaches. if you do it correctly and pace yourself you should be able to build up a resistance with your vocal chords so that it won't effect your singing voice

oh and I'm pretty sure it'd be aN ENT

[presbystrat]

Originally Posted by holyhardcore

the damage that ruins the majority of vocalists who lose their voice's voices (wrap your head around THAT sentence!) is caused by their vocal chords beating against each other irregularly (from what I've read at least)

That is what I understand. Good singing technique with good breath support results in keeping a space between the vocal folds at all times while singing. When this space collapses and the vocal folds hit against each other it causes the vocal folds to become inflamed. This eventually results in callouses and nodules on the vocal folds. I am still not convinced that it is possible to get the screaming sounds without having the vocal folds intermittently hit against each other.

[JerRocks2day]

I'm trying out singing myself. Anyway or method that I could increase my range and try to keep a perfect pitch? I brought it up because I'd like to try some screaming in my singing style myself.

[presbystrat]

Originally Posted by JerRocks2day

I'm trying out singing myself. Anyway or method that I could increase my range and try to keep a perfect pitch? I brought it up because I'd like to try some screaming in my singing style myself.

Are you asking about singing or screaming? If you are asking about singing, read the VAT sticky first for some good advice about breath support and vocal exercises, then post a new thread.

[JerRocks2day]

Are you asking about singing or screaming?

I meant for some elements of screamo in my style of singing.

[Ax]

Originally Posted by JerRocks2day

I meant for some elements of screamo in my style of singing.

If you want to know about singing, go to the VAT, if you have a question about screaming, you're in the right place. Singing like a screamo singer is singing, screaming like a screamo singer is screaming.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by holyhardcore

since when is the dictionary unreliable?

1) Dictionary.com isn't one of the better dictionaries.

2) Specialized subject matters require a specialized dictionary because they have specialized vocabulary. If you're debating theology, you use a theological dictionary. If you're dealing with medicine, you use a medical dictionary. When dealing with music, you need a source which specializes in music.

...of course, I don't know about the specific subject you're discussing. I'm just giving reasons why using a regular dictionary might be inadequate.

[holyhardcore]

I googled online music dictionaries and these are two that I found

Countertenor: "Against the tenor". The highest male singing voice, above tenor.
http://www.musicoutfitters.com/dictionary.htm#c

(English, German) contratenor (Spanish), controtenore (Italian), contre-tenor (French), Kontratenor (German)
male alto, with a tessitura similar to that of a mezzo-soprano, often but not always a falsetto voice
http://www.dolmetsch.com/defsc2.htm

dictionary.com sites dictionary sources other than itself