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Unread 06-21-2005, 10:38 PM   #16
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Like I said in the other thread, screaming and singing really loud does not ruin everyone's voice. Could it possibly be that some people have stronger vocal chords? I know that I do. For one thing, I'm a girl with a too deep voice and I can scream and yell with a lot more force than the guys I know. If you don't see me, I can easily mistaken for a guy (it gets irritating, too) From the time I was like 5 years old, I was always put with the tenors. Anyway, like the other dude said...even if it does mess up your voice...oh well.
wow. so, like, your and jon micah's voices are special? that's pretty hard core that's why you can do that stuff and i can't? that's very interesting...

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Unread 08-05-2005, 06:12 AM   #17
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Read this thread, and also try a forum search. There's plenty of information out there.
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Unread 08-17-2005, 02:27 PM   #18
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i need help, i can do the sorta high itched zao type screams, but i cant do the low DH or living sacrifice screams.
ya i hope u meen darkest hour well anyways if u get advice taht is helpful from anyone could u do me a favor and like spread it on to me cuz i really want to no to scream thanks
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OK, i love to scream and i'm pretty good at it, if you want a Haste the Day, or Zao type of voice (this might sound stupid but trust me, it works ) drink coke or pepsi, or something really fizzy, it really helps you get that growl kinda of voice, IM NOT KIDDING.
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Unread 07-22-2006, 07:16 PM   #20
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This is a great thread. 1: I always wondered what the different divisions within the vocal ranges were. 2: I think I might copy the "how to sing harmony" part and give it to the girl who's trying to sing harmony in my praise band. I can sing harmony, but I can never explain to her how to do it... I just picked it up naturally. That might be good for her......
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Thanks a ton for these tips! I sing all the time, but I get mixed reactions ("thanks for butchering the song," "you have a nice voice"). These tips will definitely help me out. I think I mostly have difficulty hearing myself and reproducing notes with my mouth, because I can pick melodies out pretty easily on my guitar. Anyway, thanks!

Oh, and for all the people wanting to scream, Melissa Cross has a DVD that teaches screaming without killing yourself. She's taught guys from Underoath, Haste the Day, Dead Poetic, and the like.
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Unread 02-05-2007, 11:23 AM   #22
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Oh, and for all the people wanting to scream, Melissa Cross has a DVD that teaches screaming without killing yourself. She's taught guys from Underoath, Haste the Day, Dead Poetic, and the like.
That dvd will not teach you how to scream without ruining your voice. It will however teach you to scream and slow down the process of ruining your voice. And she has not worked with Dead Poetic...
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Unread 03-04-2007, 01:52 AM   #23
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Thanks for this. Apparently the key to both singing and screaming properly is using the diaphragm, and that looks like good advice. It should hold me over until I can find "The Zen of Screaming".
And to the people who say screaming ruins your voice, I highly doubt it. Phil Labonte and Ryan Clark don't seem to have suffered any damage.
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That dvd will not teach you how to scream without ruining your voice. It will however teach you to scream and slow down the process of ruining your voice. And she has not worked with Dead Poetic...
I usually wouldn't care, but the website for Melissa Cross clearly states Dead Poetic as one of her clients. If that's a lie, then the fault is on the website. So far as I know, the website would be accurately reporting her clients.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, if Ryan Clark has suffered damage. Even if it is a slow process. All the same, with my screaming technique (which comes from a man named Tony Bullard, and his website is easily found through Google with a basic intro to screaming), I don't really anticipate a great deal of damage. For one thing, all of the work is in the esophagus.

Even still, screaming is definitely at your own risk. Then again, even singing incorrectly can damage your voice. If you're going to scream, try to learn the least damaging techniques, but you're still at risk. (Then again, even walking along a busy street holds some risk.)
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I usually wouldn't care, but the website for Melissa Cross clearly states Dead Poetic as one of her clients. If that's a lie, then the fault is on the website. So far as I know, the website would be accurately reporting her clients.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, if Ryan Clark has suffered damage. Even if it is a slow process. All the same, with my screaming technique (which comes from a man named Tony Bullard, and his website is easily found through Google with a basic intro to screaming), I don't really anticipate a great deal of damage. For one thing, all of the work is in the esophagus.
I'm sorry? Do you understand how the human voice works? No sound, or even air, passes through the esophagus.
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screaming?

this may sound stupid... but can someone tell me how to improve on screaming? i stink at it...
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Oh dear buddha! Stop screaming! Do it! It damages your vocal chords... I'm going to pre-empt some people here... There is a DVD that's supposed to teach you to scream without hurting your vocal chords... it's bogus... my friend got it for Christmas, our other friend's dad is an Ear-Nose-Throat doctor... Even after seeing this he's banned from screaming because the surgery required to reverse the damage of screaming is very expensive and very painful....

Knowing this, if you still choose to scream, read the vocal advice thread and other threads...


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BTW, the "Oh Dear Buddha" was a 'Zen of Screaming' joke.
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Even after seeing this he's banned from screaming because the surgery required to reverse the damage of screaming is very expensive and very painful....
Not to mention that with one slip of the scapel you could lose a vocal chord. One vocal chord does not much sound make.

From what I understand about the "Zen of Screaming" technique is that it doesn't really teach you how to scream but how to sound like you are screaming. I think they should just come up with a digital modeling processor that models screaming. Of course the purists would argue that the digital doesn't compare to the real analog screaming that can only come from tearing your vocal chords to shreds.

I was hoping we were done with the screaming. Wishful thinking. I hope it goes out of style soon before too many voices are ruined. Must we issue a Surgeon General's warning or something (not that this every stopped anyone from smoking but it's a start).
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I think they should just come up with a digital modeling processor that models screaming. Of course the purists would argue that the digital doesn't compare to the real analog screaming that can only come from tearing your vocal chords to shreds.
I remember watching a video of At The Drive-In when they were playing SNL or something and the vocalist has a bunch of guitar effects within hands reach to throw different effects on his voice.
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I've used some amp distortion and just yelled into the mic and it sounded like the guy from Zao.
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