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Unread 04-10-2009, 07:53 AM   #196
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Ok I have done a few recordings... And well... I cannot figure what I am doing wrong... Everything sounds too airy... Like it sounds too much like a whisper... Unless I go lower...

Number one is the not so good one... And then number 2 is pretty bad but a bit better I think...

Should I try doing some recordings without music???

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1 - When Everything Falls - Haste the Day
2 - The Dawning Age - Nodes of Ranvier

Just the opening to both... And I didn't feel like singing on the second... Cause... I didn't lol...

And they are both bad sounding... And I am aware lol... Any tips on improvement?
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Unread 04-10-2009, 08:08 AM   #197
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Ok I have done a few recordings... And well... I cannot figure what I am doing wrong... Everything sounds too airy... Like it sounds too much like a whisper... Unless I go lower...
Well...ARE you whispering? It REALLY sounds like you are. You probably should flange/phase your vox either.
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Unread 04-10-2009, 08:15 AM   #198
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I dont think I am... I get the same airy problem when I sing... Chances are I am just whispering lol... But I seem to always have too much air... Any ideas on what I am doing wrong? Cause I have the same problem when singing... Especially the higher I go.
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The 2nd song sounded less whispery, but still whispering present.

The only thing I'd suggest is work on form and breath support. When you sing, how is ur form[are you standing, sitting down, etc.]?

Also I think the reason why your screams sound more like whispering is because it sounds like you have a crappy breath support. As I said this before to other people before, I'll say it again: Find a vocal teacher to help you work on this.
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I am sitting... I am up straight... But I am sure sitting does not help lol... Yeah I do... I havent figured out really the proper method... I really want to, but I only know of one... And I dont have the money for that... So what i have been working on has mostly been self taught lol... Its bad though...
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Okay, that was 2 replies telling me nothing about technique.

By the way, I've already read a million and one posts that says screaming is bad for your voice. Obviously, I don't mind. I'm prepared to scar my voice in any way in praise of God.

Anyhow, TIPS!?!

How can I produce a higher pitched scream?

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Hey man, the ONLY tip i can really give you is just keep practicing...It will come with time, some people just learn faster than others. Haha doing highs took a bit....And i dont agree the falsetto thing at all. I have a friend who screams in falsetto in his band. (Rhythm guitar and back-up screams) And no offense to him, but he sounds like a moron...Idk maybe its just him.

I pretty much just practiced covering songs off meh ipod

Just remember if it hurts, then stop. Cause you will mess something up

And warm-up before you start practicing, by singing a song or something
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Unread 08-21-2009, 10:02 PM   #202
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i can scream in falsetto and it sounds pretty good its just that i dont have a mic to try it on

ps i can scream but i cant sing is that bad
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i can scream in falsetto and it sounds pretty good its just that i dont have a mic to try it on

ps i can scream but i cant sing is that bad
Depends what kind of band you want to be in. You obviously listen to Attack Attack. With that type of music you can get away with not singing, but it's usually a good talent to have.

Or you could be like Underoath or The Devil Wears Prada and have a lead screamer and a singer who plays an instrument...

It definitely won't hurt you future opportunities to learn to sing though...
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Unread 08-22-2009, 03:21 AM   #204
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yeah its just i cant find a teacher
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Unread 08-22-2009, 03:22 AM   #205
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if u screw up your voice screaming what happens?
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I think you'll pretty much know if it happens...

It's not something that happens right away though. This is like if you learn it wrong and then do it like that for a while you'll slowly ruin your voice.

Screaming is bad enough for you as it is, doing it without a teacher is not a good idea. Keep looking of a teacher. If you're seriously considering doing this regularly you won't regret it.

The other reason for getting a teacher is screaming can come out sounding downright awful if you don't do it right. A couple friends and I did a performance of How Great Thou Art by Becoming The Archetype, and the lead singer learned to scream by having our drummer who claims he can do it properly show him how. He ended up barely being able to talk for the rest of the day, and pretty much everyone's comment was that it was really good except for the screaming. This was coming from fans of screaming.

Just a thought, check local schools for teachers. Even if they're not paid by the school, a lot of teachers try to advertise in schools cause that's where most students come from.
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Yeah, if he couldn't talk for the rest of the day he was definitely doing something wrong....
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Or you could be like Underoath or The Devil Wears Prada and have a lead screamer and a singer who plays an instrument...
or if like Chino Mireno from Deftones. He both sings and screams in the band. IDK how good u are at doing both. The only logical solution to find out if you can do both is do what crazymoose suggested, find a teacher.
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A good rule of thumb, if your throat gets sore... STOP! By that point you've already done damage, so don't go any further... and that means ANY pain, even just the slightest discomfort.
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The 2nd song sounded less whispery, but still whispering present.

The only thing I'd suggest is work on form and breath support. When you sing, how is ur form[are you standing, sitting down, etc.]?

Also I think the reason why your screams sound more like whispering is because it sounds like you have a crappy breath support. As I said this before to other people before, I'll say it again: Find a vocal teacher to help you work on this.
Big key here is... Learn how to sing properly first. Here's some main keys.

1. Breath Support

I know I'm re-hashing what others have said... but this is key. Good singers don't stay at the same volume all the time. Higher notes require more air and volume to hit. (there also is a fine line. Forcing it can hurt you too.)

The proper way to breathe is by using the abdominal muscles right above your stomach, but below your lungs. a.k.a "Breathing with your diaphragm." DO NOT BREATHE USING YOUR MUSCLES IN YOUR CHEST! Your abdominal muscles have more power and are essential in producing good tone.

2. Releasing air.

You should not feel any tension in your throat... If your throat feels tight, your doing something wrong. Proper singing allows the air to flow out well and not put too much tension or force on the vocal folds. (If you sing with too much tension on your throat... you will end up like Mark Stuart and have your doctor force you to never sing again)

Also check for nasaliness! I found the best way to check this is to sing a few lines and place my finger on my nose. If you feel a lot of vibration on your nose (except on N's and M's, or any other naturally nasal consonant) than you need to practice to overcome nasaliness. This ties back to breath support. You need to focus your tone on your hard palate in your mouth. There are plenty of exercises to overcome nasaliness that you can find either on CGR or somewhere else online.

3. Problems with screaming.

Now I will make this disclaimer... I DO NOT SCREAM any in my singing. I mainly sing in what is called "Belting". (basically anything that's not opera is this, and contrary to popular belief it is actually very safe if done right) Screaming will make you lose your voice FAST! I have found some ways to scream safely... but this ties into proper singing. Certain high notes will naturally have the a certain "screamed" sound to them, but the distortion is not produced in the throat (normally this is at a high volume too). If anything is forced in the throat to where it hurts... take a break or change technique.



In a nutshell... Practice good vocal techique first... and then try screaming (or you can get a vocal coach)
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