06-21-2004, 10:34 AM
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#1 | | Roman Catholic
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| The Anglican/Episcopal Church They are so closely related with the Roman Catholic Church. What are the differences besides the disagreement with the Pope?
__________________ "O Mary, bright dawn of the new world, Mother of the living, to you we entrust the cause of life: look down, O Mother, upon the vast numbers of babies not allowed to be born, of the poor whose lives are made difficult, of men and women who are victims of brutal violence, of the elderly and the sick killed by the indifference or out of misguided mercy. Grant that all who believe in your Son may proclaim the Gospel of Life with honesty and love to the people of our time. Obtain for them the grace to acceptthat Gospel as a gift ever new, the joy of celebrating it with gratitude throughout their lives and the courage to bear witness to it resol;utely, in order to build, together with all people of good will, the civilization of truth and love, to the praise and glory of God, the Creator and lover of Life."
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06-21-2004, 10:45 AM
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#2 | | Banned
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Originally Posted by tabboy They are so closely related with the Roman Catholic Church. What are the differences besides the disagreement with the Pope? | Tabboy, have a good look at the Thirty-nine Articles of Religion of the Anglican Church. We are not as closely related as one might think from outward appearances (i.e liturgy, etc) |
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06-21-2004, 04:28 PM
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#3 | | הדו ליהוה כי־טוב
Joined: Nov 2002 Location: Chicago area Posts: 9,032
| The Anglican Communion is historically a clearly Protestant denomination, but it is also fairly simply the most Catholic of the Protestant groups.
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06-22-2004, 02:51 PM
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#4 | | Roman Catholic
Joined: Dec 2002 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 174
| Oh, I see, thanks Aaron
__________________ "O Mary, bright dawn of the new world, Mother of the living, to you we entrust the cause of life: look down, O Mother, upon the vast numbers of babies not allowed to be born, of the poor whose lives are made difficult, of men and women who are victims of brutal violence, of the elderly and the sick killed by the indifference or out of misguided mercy. Grant that all who believe in your Son may proclaim the Gospel of Life with honesty and love to the people of our time. Obtain for them the grace to acceptthat Gospel as a gift ever new, the joy of celebrating it with gratitude throughout their lives and the courage to bear witness to it resol;utely, in order to build, together with all people of good will, the civilization of truth and love, to the praise and glory of God, the Creator and lover of Life."
------------------Joannes Paulus PP. II The Gospel of Life |
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07-01-2004, 06:34 AM
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#5 | | No 1337 outside CPF!
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| The Thirty-Nine Articles are not Binding, and as you know, I don't hold to all of them...
EG.... I accept the Deuterocanon
__________________ In Jesus the Holy Christ,
John Quote:
"Christians have often disputed as to whether what leads the Christian home is good actions, or Faith in Christ. I have no right really to speak on such a difficult question, but it does seem to me like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is most necessary."
-C.S.Lewis in Mere Christianity
| I scream for the dead children whose screams are stifled by the word "Choice"! |
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07-01-2004, 11:00 AM
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#6 | | Practically Papist
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Originally Posted by Mathaytace ><> The Thirty-Nine Articles are not Binding, and as you know, I don't hold to all of them...
EG.... I accept the Deuterocanon | You're not even a part of the Anglican Communion, so you can grab at whatever you want.  The REC has fallen a considerable way from its roots.
Proper Anglicans (historic ones) would accept the Thirty-Nine Articles, though. It is a Protestant church, after all. I don't understand all these Protestants pretending like they are Romans. Pick one or the other...
Let us also remember that the vast majority of Anglicans are Conservative Evangelical Protestants...it's only the rich white bastards over here who get confused.
__________________ I've studyed profesy for 20 years and my dad is a paster. The rapture is coming! |
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07-01-2004, 09:54 PM
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#7 | | New Avatar Shortly
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Originally Posted by Athanasius it's only the rich white bastards over here who get confused.  | Now, now. I'm sure our bishops know their mothers and their fathers.
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07-02-2004, 10:00 AM
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#8 | | Practically Papist
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Originally Posted by Ridley's Own Now, now. I'm sure our bishops know their mothers and their fathers. |
-Jonathan the Purposely Obnoxious
P.S. - I've missed your cuteness, Ridley...we really do need to hook up sometime. Are you still considering studying in the UK? If so, here's an option...Westminster Abbey employs tons of postulants to help do their 10,000 weekly services. They provide housing and help pay your tuition. An idea!
__________________ I've studyed profesy for 20 years and my dad is a paster. The rapture is coming! |
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07-02-2004, 10:46 AM
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#9 | | New Avatar Shortly
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Originally Posted by Athanasius
-Jonathan the Purposely Obnoxious
P.S. - I've missed your cuteness, Ridley...we really do need to hook up sometime. Are you still considering studying in the UK? If so, here's an option...Westminster Abbey employs tons of postulants to help do their 10,000 weekly services. They provide housing and help pay your tuition. An idea!  | I'm cute now? Wow. That's like... Twice I've ever been called that.
Yes, I still want to study in the UK; I have to, you know, get approved to do that first. I didn't know that about the Abbey. I'll look into it. Thanks!
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07-02-2004, 12:18 PM
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#10 | | הדו ליהוה כי־טוב
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Originally Posted by Athanasius Westminster Abbey employs tons of postulants to help do their 10,000 weekly services. They provide housing and help pay your tuition. An idea!  | Wow...
That makes me want to be a priest!
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07-12-2004, 07:03 PM
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#11 | | Registered User
Joined: Jul 2004 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 3
| Anglican/Roman Catholic Similarities Quote: |
Originally Posted by tabboy They are so closely related with the Roman Catholic Church. What are the differences besides the disagreement with the Pope? | They are very similar. About 25 years ago, a small number of Episcopal Churches and their
priests broke away and joined the Roman Catholic Church en masse in a most unusual way.
The Holy Father(the Pope), with conditional re-ordination of the priests and minor changes
in the traditional 1928 Book of Common Prayer accepted the parishes into the Roman Church
as "Anglican Rite Catholic Churches." This remains an option today for Episcopal Church
Parishes - but only if they will use the 1928 Book of Common Prayer. The so-called 1979
"Book of Common Prayer" just isn't so - in doctrine and faith - anything but a new age
man-centered fad. The Anglican Communion - for almost 200 years - had been in inter-
communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches - which are as "orthodox" ("right thinking")
in faith as the Roman Catholic Church. The Traditional Anglican Communion is as sacra-
mental and liturgical as the Roman Church. They both use the same Liturgy of St. Peter.
Yours in Christ,
John |
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07-13-2004, 05:48 PM
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#12 | | Banned
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 7,132
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Originally Posted by sicklesj They are very similar. About 25 years ago, a small number of Episcopal Churches and their
priests broke away and joined the Roman Catholic Church en masse in a most unusual way.
The Holy Father(the Pope), with conditional re-ordination of the priests and minor changes
in the traditional 1928 Book of Common Prayer accepted the parishes into the Roman Church
as "Anglican Rite Catholic Churches." This remains an option today for Episcopal Church
Parishes - but only if they will use the 1928 Book of Common Prayer. The so-called 1979
"Book of Common Prayer" just isn't so - in doctrine and faith - anything but a new age
man-centered fad. The Anglican Communion - for almost 200 years - had been in inter-
communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches - which are as "orthodox" ("right thinking")
in faith as the Roman Catholic Church. The Traditional Anglican Communion is as sacra-
mental and liturgical as the Roman Church. They both use the same Liturgy of St. Peter.
Yours in Christ,
John | A minor note - they deny that Chrismination (Confirmation), Holy Orders, Penance, Matrimony, and Annointing of the Sick are sacraments. |
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07-14-2004, 04:09 PM
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#13 | | No 1337 outside CPF!
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,037
| Not true, they are Sacraments, but we make a distinction between those established by Christ, and those not established by Christ.
__________________ In Jesus the Holy Christ,
John Quote:
"Christians have often disputed as to whether what leads the Christian home is good actions, or Faith in Christ. I have no right really to speak on such a difficult question, but it does seem to me like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is most necessary."
-C.S.Lewis in Mere Christianity
| I scream for the dead children whose screams are stifled by the word "Choice"! |
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07-14-2004, 05:01 PM
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#14 | | Banned
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 7,132
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Originally Posted by Mathaytace ><> Not true, they are Sacraments, but we make a distinction between those established by Christ, and those not established by Christ. | What, then, is this? Quote:
Sacraments ordained of Christ be not only badges or tokens of Christian men's profession, but rather they be certain sure witnesses, and effectual signs of grace, and God's good will towards us, by the which he doth work invisibly in us, and doth not only quicken, but also strengthen and confirm our Faith in him.
There are two Sacraments ordained of Christ our Lord in the Gospel, that is to say, Baptism, and the Supper of the Lord. Those five commonly called Sacraments, that is to say, Confirmation, Penance, Orders, Matrimony, and Extreme Unction, are not to be counted for Sacraments of the Gospel, being such as have grown partly of the corrupt following of the Apostles, partly are states of life allowed in the Scriptures; but yet have not like nature of Sacraments with Baptism, and the Lord's Supper, for that they have not any visible sign or ceremony ordained of God.
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07-15-2004, 12:54 AM
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#15 | | Registered User
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 6
| The Anglo-Catholic confusion... In the US, use of the Missals and late medieval "devotions" obscure the solid, though moderate, reformation base of Anglicanism. I know of Anglo-Catholics who would say "amen" to John-Paul's idolatrous prayer! I repudiate all prayers to the Departed. Such is not Anglican custom. While I know Anglicanism is a "big tent", I would like to see the Anglo-Catholics run off to Rome where they can freely kiss and lick statues.
In this country, some way has to be found for making the Articles a doctrinal requirement. Bishops, also, need to have the wherewithall to forbid Anglo-Catholic parishes from mimicking Rome. This is especially true concerning the sola gratia and sola fide of the Articles! |
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