[blackoyster]

Originally Posted by fudrudler

So you're saying that prison is a city of refuge.

I was thinking more like a country club.

[smhatahy]

So you're saying that prison is a city of refuge.

hmmmm come to think of it.. death row in a way is a lot like a city of refuge..

[JerryLove]

Since when is justice dependent upon how much something costs?

Since the beginning of time. I wonder why we don't use large FBI task-forces and teams of experienced DAs to persue and prosicute individual cases of grafitti? Where is the Biblical justification for me to pay for "justice"?

BTW, what's just about executing the wrong guy just because there were two wintesses? That is, after all, the Biblical standard... but if my buddy and I were gonna kill someone; we would not have much trouble then lying and saying someone else did it.

I understand why you would want this—it is a godly desire to see people regenerated—but it is not biblical or godly to postpone or avoid giving justice to someone in the civil sphere[...]

Jesus did it.

(A) Was there no possibility of innocence back in the Old Testament? I do understand what you are saying though, and I believe our system of evidence, witnesses, and courts in general ought to be changed to fit biblical standards in order to give us more confidence in the guilt of a convicted person.

The standard for proof in the US system is far higher than it was in Biblical times. Switching standards would result in a far greater number of innocent people being convicted. It would no longer require "proof beyond reasonable doubt", but merely the testimony of two witnesses. If two people can be found to say you are guilty, you are guilty.

(B) What you said just isn't true. Criminals sentenced to death (yes, even those in Texas) sit on death row for years and years, sometimes decades, making appeal after appeal.

Often, yes.

if execution DOES cost more than jailing someone for 30 years, then that's something that needs to be fixed.

It costs more because of checks and balances intended to prevent the execution of the innocent. If they are removed, I hope that you or your family are first to reap the benifit of being mistaken for a murderer.

and my point is that the appeals process needs to be fixed. murderers shouldn't be allowed to sit and appeal and appeal and appeal into eternity.

They are not, they have a fixed number of appeals.

if nothing else, I see no Biblical basis for an appeals process in the justice system.

And I see no Biblical basis for preventing toxic dumping or requiring minimum safety standards on nuclear power-plants. What's your point?

[Grasshopper359]

Originally Posted by Jas de F

perhaps that's the case, although I really rather doubt it, but even if it IS the case...

1) as Travis said, justice is not dependent on how much something costs.

So we're measuring someone's life against a dollar-figure, are we?

2) there's absolutely NO reason that putting someone to death should cost more than keeping them jailed for 30+ years. execution should cost nothing more than a length of rope and a few boards for a scaffold, or the rocks on the ground, or a dozen bullets from a firing line.

I seriously hope that nobody with this mentality ever finds themself wrongfully convicted. On second thought, maybe it would give them a glimpse of reality, and why there IS an appeals process.

[BurntHombre]

I support the capital punishment of this thread.

[JerryLove]

Ressurecting threads is bad mmm-kay.