[Pipercostal]

Originally Posted by exo

Which is exactly why Ezzo states that you should conform the schedule to your baby's needs (i.e. if your baby needs to eat every 1.5 hours, then feed them every 1.5 hours). To be honest it sounds as though you haven't read his books at all and are spouting rhetoric. That is not to say that Ezzo is the 'right' way, but I dislike people misrepresenting others' point of view.

Ezzo changed his books when the American Pediatric Association came down on him for it. But the fact remains that that was his original stance. A very uninformed and damaging stance to take for the health of children. He would have been foolish not to change it.

And to be honest, I haven't read his books, I've just heard from tons of other parents who are absolutely opposed to him. But like I said, that's my own bias. However I do believe that the people who run the Ezzo.info site have read his books and are quite knowledgeable. But I'll leave that up to you to decide for yourself.

[exo]

Originally Posted by Pipercostal

Ezzo changed his books when the American Pediatric Association came down on him for it. But the fact remains that that was his original stance. A very uninformed and damaging stance to take for the health of children. He would have been foolish not to change it.

And to be honest, I haven't read his books, I've just heard from tons of other parents who are absolutely opposed to him. But like I said, that's my own bias. However I do believe that the people who run the Ezzo.info site have read his books and are quite knowledgeable. But I'll leave that up to you to decide for yourself.

Thanks for the feedback. It would be interesting to know if those parents that were wholly against Ezzo had read his books either.

It sounds almost to me like those that are against Harry Potter... *usually* those that are wholly against it have never read it, and those that are either middle-of-the-road, for-it, or a little-bit against it have actually read the books.

[jc-16]

my parents did fine with me

[walkwjc]

Personally, not to offend, but I have a hard time reading a book by a man telling a mommy how to raise her child. The bible lays out may principles about raising children and dicipline and not all of them involve the rod (not knocking it though). I believe every child is different and needs to be raised differently. This knowledge cannot be found at Barnes and Noble or Amazon.com. It is in your hearts and instincts as parents.

Now am I against some general instruction? No. But to take a system that some doctor/phsycologist/whatever dreamed up and apply it to all your children is just absurd. Parents need to get back into the bible and back to the basics of child raising.

I have two children 7 and 3. Both are extremely different. We raised then extremly different. One gets spankings the other needs none. They are different. They have different needs. Dr. Spock or Dr. Ezzo or even Dr. Phil cannot raise MY child.

jc-15 hit it in the nose....HIS parents did fine with him.
KFBobInsanesMom had some great thoughts also.

I am sorry if I offended anybody here, but I ignored this thread as long as I could. The new age parent thinks they have to do everything just right and go 'by the book'. If God wanted there to be more instruction on child raising either thier would have been more about it in the Bible, or there would have been an instruction book tied to the umbilical cord with model and serial numbers for you child. Just be parents. Let it be natural. God gave us instincts.

Even the smallest baby has instincts. It knows to cry when it's hungry/sleepy/poopy whatever.

Trust that God gave you all the instruction you need and raise your kids.

Once again, I am sorry if I offended you.

In Christ's Love
-d

[exo]

Originally Posted by walkwjc

Personally, not to offend, but I have a hard time reading a book by a man telling a mommy how to raise her child. The bible lays out may principles about raising children and dicipline and not all of them involve the rod (not knocking it though). I believe every child is different and needs to be raised differently. This knowledge cannot be found at Barnes and Noble or Amazon.com. It is in your hearts and instincts as parents.

I think that we all know this. I also have yet to encounter any book on the subject that says the rod is the answer in all situations.

Now am I against some general instruction? No. But to take a system that some doctor/phsycologist/whatever dreamed up and apply it to all your children is just absurd. Parents need to get back into the bible and back to the basics of child raising.

I take what I read as general instruction and adapt/apply it to the specific child.

I have two children 7 and 3. Both are extremely different. We raised then extremly different. One gets spankings the other needs none. They are different. They have different needs. Dr. Spock or Dr. Ezzo or even Dr. Phil cannot raise MY child.

Yes, but they can give guidelines as to what we've learned about the development of children.

jc-15 hit it in the nose....HIS parents did fine with him.
KFBobInsanesMom had some great thoughts also.

I am sorry if I offended anybody here, but I ignored this thread as long as I could. The new age parent thinks they have to do everything just right and go 'by the book'. If God wanted there to be more instruction on child raising either thier would have been more about it in the Bible, or there would have been an instruction book tied to the umbilical cord with model and serial numbers for you child. Just be parents. Let it be natural. God gave us instincts.

This is very dangerous reasoning on your part. Many, many children are raised in very dysfunctional homes. They are raised with abuse and or very poor models for parents. Just 'being parents' and relying on our 'instincts' is very scary considering that we usually do what was modeled to us.

Also, I can apply your statement to many things, "If God wanted there to be more instruction on X, then he would have put it in the Bible..." While the Bible does cover most things in general, it says nothing of what to do with a handicapped child, an autistic child, or any number of other life subjects.

Take medicine for example, if we used your line of logic, say good-bye to Tylenol.

Even the smallest baby has instincts. It knows to cry when it's hungry/sleepy/poopy whatever.

Which most books teach. BTW, where exactly did you learn about these instincts in the Bible?

Trust that God gave you all the instruction you need and raise your kids.

Once again, I am sorry if I offended you.

In Christ's Love
-d

No offense taken, but I see no problem in using the tools (namely, our brains) God gave us to be better parents. No, I am not seeking to be the perfect parent (I've already failed in that endeavor... lol), but to know about the psychology of raising kids.

You also fail to follow your own advice. You make several statements that are either not found in the Bible or are your attempt to be the 'perfect' parent.

EDIT: One thing that I was greatly offended by was your first statement: "but I have a hard time reading a book by a man telling a mommy how to raise her child". The last time I checked, children have two parents who both play a vital role in raising their kids.

[walkwjc]

Ok, First I apologize for my rude tone here. I have been dealing with this issue for a while with some friends and rather than argue with them...well...I gave rant here.

I apoligize for offending you Brian, that was uncalled for. I do realize that there are two parents that take part in raising a child, and I am an active part of my children's upbringing. In my haste and frustration, I posted a jumble of emotions instead of a coherent post. I will attempt to salvage what is left of it:

Originally Posted by exo

I take what I read as general instruction and adapt/apply it to the specific child.

The people I know (that are the root of this rant) don't do this. They read the book and follow it step by step to raise their child. That is what I was disagreeing with.

Originally Posted by exo

Yes, but they can give guidelines as to what we've learned about the development of children.

My interpretation of the discussion so far was: what system do you subscribe to. I wasn't aware that you use these systems as guidelines. Sorry.

This is very dangerous reasoning on your part. Many, many children are raised in very dysfunctional homes. They are raised with abuse and or very poor models for parents. Just 'being parents' and relying on our 'instincts' is very scary considering that we usually do what was modeled to us.

Also, I can apply your statement to many things, "If God wanted there to be more instruction on X, then he would have put it in the Bible..." While the Bible does cover most things in general, it says nothing of what to do with a handicapped child, an autistic child, or any number of other life subjects.

I still feel that God gave us instincts to raise our children, and coupled with what he gave us in the bible you should be able to functionally raise a child.

I do not however object to outside instruction, as long as that is how it is viewed. I believe that when you begin to adhere to a strict system to raise your children, you have erred.

I thought that is what you were talking about here.

Now about abusive parents and neglectfull parents. You say that they didn't have the instincts...well that is where biblical instruction comes in.

No offense taken, but I see no problem in using the tools (namely, our brains) God gave us to be better parents. No, I am not seeking to be the perfect parent (I've already failed in that endeavor... lol), but to know about the psychology of raising kids.

Once again, my problem was with taking child raising and molding it to fit a system. They psychology of raising kids is the part that bothers me.

You also fail to follow your own advice. You make several statements that are either not found in the Bible or are your attempt to be the 'perfect' parent.

Not sure what you mean. I never said I was the perfect parent. And I said God gave us insticts and scripture. Nor did I state that you were imperfect.

I guess, my closing thought here would be, that I am sorry for offending, no I don't like the pop-phsycology that most parents are into these days, I am not against general instruction (as long as it is not contradictory to God's), and I do think that just the fact that we are all here argueing over this makes us great parents.

In Christ's Love,

Donnie