Versus!: Superman vs The Tick

Jeffrey · 05-24-2004, 06:39 PM

Note: on second thought, neither the Tick nor Superman was of Doomsday caliber. Superman wanted to take him on for good later on, if I recall, and Waverider told him that he would be defeated that second time, for good.

The Tick was not a genetically-created monstrosity cloned in forced evolution.

However, Slap_Josh is right that this gives a precedent.

Lightknight · 05-24-2004, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Starboard Wake

He was only using the thunder because Supes was hurting him? No, he was kicking his ass. His presence was a liability to their battle.

Pre-Crisis, the two fought to a draw (brought on by understanding and compromise) when Earth-1 and Earth-S crossed over. In fact, Cap was smart enough to use his lightning to knock the insanity out of Supes that red kryptonite had caused.

Uh, no. Look again. Superman used his lasers against Marvel. Marvel only did the thunder thing because he couldn't look. Hopefully you have to comic to see this. If not I'll take a pic and post it.

Jeffrey · 05-24-2004, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

Uh, no. Look again. Superman used his lasers against Marvel. Marvel only did the thunder thing because he couldn't look. Hopefully you have to comic to see this. If not I'll take a pic and post it.

Superman speeds to the detainment center, and gets knocked out of the air by Captain Marvel. He uses his heat vision against Captain Marvel, who can't see the first time. So Marvel calls down the lightning. He knocks Superman down. Then he uses it again, not out of last resort.

Lightknight · 05-24-2004, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Starboard Wake

Superman speeds to the detainment center, and gets knocked out of the air by Captain Marvel. He uses his heat vision against Captain Marvel, who can't see the first time. So Marvel calls down the lightning. He knocks Superman down. Then he uses it again, not out of last resort.

Whatever. He surprised Superman in the air and only got one good punch in before the whole Shazaam thing. Note that Superman isn't trying to harm him. He is trying to talk sense into him. The whole time he's yammering away, trying to snap Marvel out of his hypnosis. Supes defeated him without throwing a single punch. Do you realize that? He defeated him by talking sense to him and covering his mouth. Superman could have schooled him.

**slap_j** · 05-24-2004, 11:48 PM

If we are going to have the Captain Marvel vs. Superman battle then someone slap an into and bios up.

Lightknight · 05-25-2004, 12:24 AM

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If we are going to have the Captain Marvel vs. Superman battle then someone slap an into and bios up.

I don't have access to Superman and Marvel Bios. My cards are pretty much just Marvel. Besides. We're already pitting other people against eachother. Man. Too many. Superman/Tick/J'ohn/Monel/Marvel...

But hey, I know where Marvel is today. Haven't you guys ever wondered what happened to him really? Marvel and Mother Teresa... and mr. Lantern...

**Skeeter** · 05-25-2004, 02:57 AM

I'm a big fan of the Tick, and enjoy his childlike naivete and simpleminded heroism. But I believe that Superman's speed and flight will be too much for the nigh-invulnerable bug. Plus, all Superman would have to do is tweak his antennae to disorient him. As in the Slapstick debacle, simply because a character can't be killed, or in the Tick's case, can't be injured, does not mean he can't be beaten. While the Tick would put up a valiant effort, Krypton's last son would be too much for him.

Jeffrey · 05-25-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by slap_j

In 1946, Superman flies onto an atomic-bomb test site and withstands the successive impact of two atomic bombs. He also withstands the intense heat of the Earth's molten core. (Superman #43)

In February 1954, Superman withstands the explosion of a hydrogen bomb, although it does leave him with a slight headache. (Superman #87)

Pre-Crisis on both counts, but still valid I guess. In Frank Miller's landmark The Dark Knight Returns, Supes takes some variant of a Russian nuclear warhead and nearly dies. It's only be a last-minute burst of yellow sun energy that he survives.

**Ted Logan** · 05-25-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Starboard Wake

Note: on second thought, neither the Tick nor Superman was of Doomsday caliber. Superman wanted to take him on for good later on, if I recall, and Waverider told him that he would be defeated that second time, for good.

The Tick was not a genetically-created monstrosity cloned in forced evolution.

However, Slap_Josh is right that this gives a precedent.

Doomsday was created as a Superman-destroyer by Mongol. He was bred for the job. He defeated Superman simply by fighting him to exhaustion. The Tick, I think, would be unable to maintain such a battle not for stamina, but for anger. How would he muster that kind of anger against the Man of Steel that he did for Ninja World? I just don't see how a battle with the Tick could last long enough to reach a definite conclusion.

As for Captain Marvel, the two have battled on occasion, and the results are different every time. I think that Marvel has the obvious advantage in all his powers. I mean, he has the wisdom of Solomon, strength of Hercules, stamina of Atlas, power of Zeus, courage of Achilles, and the speed of Mercury. I think that any time Supes defeats him, it is a situational thing, and not because he actually bests Marvel in any area.

Lightknight · 05-25-2004, 01:52 PM

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Not true. Superman survived a nuclear explosion with nothing more than a headache. And according to "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" cartoons in the real world are certainly able to be destroyed. Remember the "dip"? Heck, cartoons in the cartoon world can just be erased if you take into account a few Daffy Duck cartoons I've seen.

Here is some backup for that Superman data...

In 1946, Superman flies onto an atomic-bomb test site and withstands the successive impact of two atomic bombs. He also withstands the intense heat of the Earth's molten core. (Superman #43)

In February 1954, Superman withstands the explosion of a hydrogen bomb, although it does leave him with a slight headache. (Superman #87)

Then why did one kill Captain Marvel?

And by the way, dip was a cartoon invention.

this is the comic world. He isn't in the same setting as Roger.

Jeffrey · 05-26-2004, 03:41 AM

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The Tick, I think, would be unable to maintain such a battle not for stamina, but for anger. How would he muster that kind of anger against the Man of Steel that he did for Ninja World? I just don't see how a battle with the Tick could last long enough to reach a definite conclusion.

Well, the nature of this thread is them battling. I can't see what would make Superman want to fight the loveable Tick. Why would Captain Marvel and Superman fight? Mayhaps I can see Logan and Cap fighting, but why would we match up anyone but heroes and villains? In that case, Slapstick and Apocalypse has been the best battle so far.

The Tick got angry enough at the Caped Wonder (the Superman/Monel/Superboy-esque figure) to reveal his secret identity. He saw a ninja slice his fellow hero Oedipus Rex and tossed one through a car window and then demolished a theme park.

I can't see the Tick and Superman fighting unless one was under some sort of coercion. I think they'd overcome a confrontation quickly. But I would venture the same about Captain Marvel and Supes (and I have precedent for that), but if one was coerced...

Lightknight · 05-26-2004, 02:15 PM

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Why would Captain Marvel and Superman fight?

Oh I don't know, maybe Lex Luthor might dispatch Marvel against Superman in a little magazine i've been referencing called Kingdom Come.

Jeffrey · 05-27-2004, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

Oh I don't know, maybe Lex Luthor might dispatch Marvel against Superman in a little magazine i've been referencing called Kingdom Come.

Exactly, as I said, coercion, Gavin. One or the other has to be an altered state to take on the other. Their past misunderstanings (like Earth-1 and Earth-S crossovers) were resolved. So what would make them fight if they were in altered states and were in full retention of their character?

I didn't appreciate your little jab.

Lightknight · 05-27-2004, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Starboard Wake

Exactly, as I said, coercion, Gavin. One or the other has to be an altered state to take on the other. Their past misunderstanings (like Earth-1 and Earth-S crossovers) were resolved. So what would make them fight if they were in altered states and were in full retention of their character?

I didn't appreciate your little jab.

Oh! no no, I wasn't trying to jab. I should have put a smiley but now that I read it again it would have still seemed like a jab. I'm sorry. I should have read my post before entering. The problem with posting is that it is absent of facial expressions and voice tones
that denote good humor.

I'm sorry, I'm southern, dry humor has a lot to do with those two.

As for coercion. Isn't the state of coercion a norm for Marvel now? I mean, he may be controlled but he is still the henceman of Lex. Even if not by choice.

Jeffrey · 05-27-2004, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

As for coercion. Isn't the state of coercion a norm for Marvel now? I mean, he may be controlled but he is still the henceman of Lex. Even if not by choice.

Not in current continuity...