Versus!: Superman vs The Tick

Jeffrey · 05-24-2004, 02:38 PM

Note: I am not necessarily saying that Supes couldn't beat the Tick. I just think that we overestimate Clark. I mean, Captain Marvel could kick his ass. He's not the best there is. The Tick's taken a lot of abuse and managed to survive. I just think a battle between the Tick and Superman would be more than "Supes tosses him into the sun!" This assumes that the Tick is just standing around.

Lightknight · 05-24-2004, 02:43 PM

Not true, Super Man defeated Marvel in Kingdom Come. He simply clapped his hands on his mouth, transforming Marvel back to Batson. pgs. 178-179.

Dr. Doom · 05-24-2004, 02:44 PM

this is getting ridiculous...

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Ah, I knew one would bring this up...this is faulty, because if the Tick is fighting Clark in space, he's actively moving and thus wouldn't enter suspended animation.

What i meant was, all Superman has to do is let go of him and the Tick is unable to go anywhere in space.

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Additionally, what if they were fighting in a point of space where there was no yellow sun? Superman would get weaker. He could regain his strength with a yellow sun, but the first match would be chalked up to the Tick.

or what if the Tick shoved kryptonite in Superman's pants?! Seriously, the control of the fight is completely in Superman's hands. If they STARTED in such an area of space, yes anyone could beat Superman. But assuming they started ANYWHERE else, Superman wouldn't let the fight go to a place where he loses his powers.

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So, wait...we're declaring the victor as the one who runs from the battle? Staying in the air so you can't be touched doesn't mean you win unless you manage to defeat your opponent from that height.

Not at all. Superman stays in the air and the Tick simply cannot get there. Superman could continuously dive bomb the Tick, who is on the ground. Superman could fly so fast that the Tick could never hear him coming or see the shadow, etc. Or Superman could spend so much time in the air that he could develope unlimited strategies against the Tick, trying the out one by one until one did something. And i still am not convinced that one attack of a full Superman's wrath couldn't destroy the Tick.

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And since the Tick's skull can't be opened by an industrial saw, I think he's safe from Supes tossing spitwads from mid-air.

Dude, Superman can exhale with much, much, much more power than an industrial saw. Basically, the Tick has been exposed to all these mortal attacks and nothing of Superman caliber.

Dr. Doom · 05-24-2004, 02:46 PM

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This is silly. Reference our last battle, Monel vs. J'onn. How come no one said "Monel could use his powers to toss the Martian Manhunter into outer space?

Well, i think MArtian MAnhunter is ok in space, but i could be wrong. in any case, who cares about the last battle. if you want me to go edit a response and bring this up, i will. If martian manhunter would be beaten by being tossed into space, then that is a fine way to defeat him.

Dr. Doom · 05-24-2004, 02:48 PM

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Note: I am not necessarily saying that Supes couldn't beat the Tick. I just think that we overestimate Clark. I mean, Captain Marvel could kick his ass. He's not the best there is. The Tick's taken a lot of abuse and managed to survive. I just think a battle between the Tick and Superman would be more than "Supes tosses him into the sun!" This assumes that the Tick is just standing around.

Duly noted. I think that Superman "tossing" anyone would be a last resort. I still think that Superman could walk right up to the Tick and rip his face off, if so angered.

Dr. Doom · 05-24-2004, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

Not true, Super Man defeated Marvel in Kingdom Come. He simply clapped his hands on his mouth, transforming Marvel back to Batson. pgs. 178-179.

That only works with the strategy Marvel was employing at that time. He was jsut saying "Shazam!" and moving out of the way to let the lightning hit Superman. If they straight up fought, it would be a humdinger but i wouldn't be suprised to see Marvel emerge victorious. mayhaps this could be our next battle.

**slap_j** · 05-24-2004, 03:12 PM

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What i meant was, all Superman has to do is let go of him and the Tick is unable to go anywhere in space.

Very true. Unless the Tick had a source of locomotion in space he would just flail about until he entered suspended animation. I am not saying that it would be as simple as Superman just carrying the Tick off into space...I am sure there would be a struggle, but if Superman wanted to then he would eventually get the Tick into space one way or another.

Lightknight · 05-24-2004, 03:16 PM

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That only works with the strategy Marvel was employing at that time. He was jsut saying "Shazam!" and moving out of the way to let the lightning hit Superman. If they straight up fought, it would be a humdinger but i wouldn't be suprised to see Marvel emerge victorious. mayhaps this could be our next battle.

Well, we really wouldn't have any way of knowing. And since Superman did win the only fight between the two then I would have to say he wins.

Dr. Doom · 05-24-2004, 03:17 PM

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Well, we really wouldn't have any way of knowing. And since Superman did win the only fight between the two then I would have to say he wins.

true...was that really the only fight between the two in all comicbook history?

Lightknight · 05-24-2004, 03:47 PM

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true...was that really the only fight between the two in all comicbook history?

As far as I know. Yes. But He was only using the thunder because Superman was hurting him.

Jeffrey · 05-24-2004, 06:15 PM

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Not true, Super Man defeated Marvel in Kingdom Come. He simply clapped his hands on his mouth, transforming Marvel back to Batson. pgs. 178-179.

How did that defeat him? Superman doesn't kill, so he would've let go of Batson at some point.

There are several times when Batman has said that he knows the Big Red Cheese could defeat the Man of Steel. Most recently, I believe, was in Superman/Batman when Lex sent Captain Atom, Captain Marvel, and others to apprehend the World's Finest.

Captain Marvel is a creature of magic, Superman's best exploited weakness. Cap's punches hit harder (like Thor's hammer) because they are fueled by magic.

In Kingdom Come, an insane, programmed Billy Batson zapped the crap out of Supes. The only reason the hurt stopped was 'cos Supes thought quickly and paused not to defeat him but to direct his attention to the nukes.

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]What i meant was, all Superman has to do is let go of him and the Tick is unable to go anywhere in space.

Fair enough.

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or what if the Tick shoved kryptonite in Superman's pants?!

Well, that's been the nature of this thread so far. Folks don't take anything into account by one or two elements of a hero.

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Seriously, the control of the fight is completely in Superman's hands. If they STARTED in such an area of space, yes anyone could beat Superman. But assuming they started ANYWHERE else, Superman wouldn't let the fight go to a place where he loses his powers.

And why would the Tick let the battle go into space?

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Not at all. Superman stays in the air and the Tick simply cannot get there. Superman could continuously dive bomb the Tick, who is on the ground. Superman could fly so fast that the Tick could never hear him coming or see the shadow, etc. Or Superman could spend so much time in the air that he could develope unlimited strategies against the Tick, trying the out one by one until one did something. And i still am not convinced that one attack of a full Superman's wrath couldn't destroy the Tick.

Well, the last part is because you're not familiar with the Tick. The Tick's taken a lot of abuse. He's nigh-invulnerable. No one knows what could take him down.

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Dude, Superman can exhale with much, much, much more power than an industrial saw. Basically, the Tick has been exposed to all these mortal attacks and nothing of Superman caliber.

Actual, the Tick fought a Superman/Monel/Superboy-esque character named the Caped Wonder who basically had Superman's powers. The Tick's persona and nigh-invulnerability were his strengths. He annoyed the crap out of the guy, and was able to take a supposedly killing blow to the head. Additionally, he had no qualms revealing his opponent's secret identity.

Jeffrey · 05-24-2004, 06:20 PM

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As far as I know. Yes. But He was only using the thunder because Superman was hurting him.

He was only using the thunder because Supes was hurting him? No, he was kicking his ass. His presence was a liability to their battle.

Pre-Crisis, the two fought to a draw (brought on by understanding and compromise) when Earth-1 and Earth-S crossed over. In fact, Cap was smart enough to use his lightning to knock the insanity out of Supes that red kryptonite had caused.

Jeffrey · 05-24-2004, 06:22 PM

Skeet, Aaron, and some others haven't had a chance to weigh in on the Tick vs. Superman. I assume the consensus here will be that the Blue Boy Scout will beat the Blue Bug. But once that's done, we should have Superman vs. Captain Marvel.

**slap_j** · 05-24-2004, 06:29 PM

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Skeet, Aaron, and some others haven't had a chance to weigh in on the Tick vs. Superman. I assume the consensus here will be that the Blue Boy Scout will beat the Blue Bug. But once that's done, we should have Superman vs. Captain Marvel.

I do not remember how Doomsday killed Supes. Could someone refresh my memory and let me know if the Tick might be capable of the same thing?

Jeffrey · 05-24-2004, 06:35 PM

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I do not remember how Doomsday killed Supes. Could someone refresh my memory and let me know if the Tick might be capable of the same thing?

This is a good point. Supes did not manage to toss Doomsday into outer space. Doomsday left a trail of destruction across the East as he moved to Metropolis. He wasn't magic. He was just nearly too much for the Man of Steel. He left Supes bleeding and broken when he himself finally died.

The Tick is capable of such destruction. I should scan a pic of what he did to Ninja World (a theme park). Basically ripped it to the foundation. Topped a statue several stories high. Took building apart by hand.