Versus!: Captain America vs Wolverine

**slap_j** · 05-05-2004, 01:45 PM

This thread is for the dicussion of hypothetical duels between comic book characters. I will introduce the two warriors and give a small bio for each. Anyone else who wants to initiate battles later on should follow the same format as I do today.

Captain America vs. Wolverine

Captain America

He was America's super-soldier to stop the Nazi menace in the 40's. He was the subject of Operation: Rebirth. Taking a super-soldier serum and then being bombarded by vita-rays turned him into the pinnacle of what a human could be. It is said he can press up to 800 pounds. He is widely known as one of, if not the finest human combatant(s) on earth. His agility, strength, speed, endurance, and reaction time is superior to even the peak Olympic athelete. His only weapon is an indestructible shield he tosses through the air at opponents.

Wolverine

Wolverine is a mutant. He has two primary mutations. One being his accelerated healing rate and another being claws which extend from his knuckles and are sheathed in his forearms. His involvement in the Weapon X program led to his skeleton being laced with an indestructable metal called adamantium. Although this metal was later removed in a near fatal attack from Magneto, Apocalypse later reendowed Logan's skeleton with the adamantium when he served as the horseman of Death. Logan too can press a maximum of 800 pounds. He possesses hightened senses and is a master of multiple forms of martial arts and in assassination techniques.

So who wins this one, guys?

**Skeeter** · 05-05-2004, 02:39 PM

Ooh, a tough one. These two have faced off a couple times in comics, and I don't think there's been a definite win by either of them. What I find interesting is that they're both members of "super-soldier" programs in some way: Wolverine with Weapon X in Canada, and Cap with the Super Soldier program in the US.

I have to go with Captain America on this one. He's simply smarter. While Wolverine has his healing factor to keep him going long term, as soon as he goes berzerker (which is likely) he's lost. Pretty much the only way to stop him is to chop his head off and run away with it. Captain America has shown that he has the capability to do this (in his fight with Baron Blood back in the day) and so I have to give this one to Cap. He's handy enough with the shield to protect himself from Wolverine's claws and he's stronger than Wolverine to boot. It would be a tough battle, but I'm giving it to Captain America.

Danny · 05-05-2004, 02:58 PM

Hmm...I think I'd have to give this one to Captain America, too, much as I love Wolverine. While Wolverine is certainly strong, and posesses a nice set of claws, Cap is just as strong, and could be dancing circles around Wolvie before he ever got a chance to land a blow.

Jeffrey · 05-05-2004, 06:56 PM

This would be a battle that would last days and days (or pages and pages). I think in the end, Cap would emerge victorious. He would outsmart Logan. His first few attempts to do so would be rebuffed and deduced by the generally quick-witted mutant, but soon enough Cap would trap him when Logan gave into his rage and was unable to process the situation as full as an unclouded mind.

The Professor · 05-07-2004, 08:14 AM

I don't know Captain America that well (only read an issue or two of him) but I think Wolverine is smarter than you guys give him credit for. He doesn't become some bumbling idiot when he goes berzerk. His instincts are extremely keen that would help him in life or death situations.

Also, a friend of mine pointed out that Wolverine could be the strongest mutant/person alive. Here's why:

What happens when you work out? It tears down your muscles. Well, theoretically Wolverine's muscles would rebuild much quicker than a normal human after a workout, so he wouldn't be subject to working his upper body only every other day.

If it came down to Wolverine's claws vs. Captain America's sheild, I think the latter would win.

Jeffrey · 05-07-2004, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

I don't know Captain America that well (only read an issue or two of him) but I think Wolverine is smarter than you guys give him credit for. He doesn't become some bumbling idiot when he goes berzerk. His instincts are extremely keen that would help him in life or death situations.

Captain America went toe-to-toe with Batman and they both knew it would be a stalemate.

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What happens when you work out? It tears down your muscles. Well, theoretically Wolverine's muscles would rebuild much quicker than a normal human after a workout, so he wouldn't be subject to working his upper body only every other day.

This is actually a major plothole to me that Marvel hasn't addressed. Wolverine should have freaking huge muscles, to the point of not being able to sustain basic movement. Unless they work out that his regenerative system has thresholds of interaction, or is regulatory.

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If it came down to Wolverine's claws vs. Captain America's sheild, I think the latter would win.

If we're talking Cap's admantium shield vs. Logan's admantium claws, I think that the deciding factor would be something else.

**slap_j** · 05-07-2004, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

Also, a friend of mine pointed out that Wolverine could be the strongest mutant/person alive. Here's why:

There is no way he could be the strongest mutant. None of his mutant abilites really augment his strength all that much. Unlike Magneto who can use his magnetic powers to augment his physical strength allowing him to press over 100 tons (like the Incredible Hulk). Then there is Colossus who can press around 70 tons...oh and of course Apocalypse, probably the most powerful mutant ever, his strength is potentially incalculable. In the realm of mutants Logan is nowhere near the strongest. In the realm of humans he is at the peak, able to press around 800 pounds.

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What happens when you work out? It tears down your muscles. Well, theoretically Wolverine's muscles would rebuild much quicker than a normal human after a workout, so he wouldn't be subject to working his upper body only every other day.

Perhaps he is building lean muscle mass. Also, I think there is a point, rapid-regeneration or no, where the human body just hits the ceiling.

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If it came down to Wolverine's claws vs. Captain America's sheild, I think the latter would win.

As Jeff has pointed out, they're made of the same material.

The Professor · 05-07-2004, 05:38 PM

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Captain America went toe-to-toe with Batman and they both knew it would be a stalemate.

I'll have to read more of Captain America. He sounds sweet.

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This is actually a major plothole to me that Marvel hasn't addressed. Wolverine should have freaking huge muscles, to the point of not being able to sustain basic movement. Unless they work out that his regenerative system has thresholds of interaction, or is regulatory.

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Perhaps he is building lean muscle mass. Also, I think there is a point, rapid-regeneration or no, where the human body just hits the ceiling.

Agreed. Technically anytime he's using his muscles they are getting bigger, which would have to max out eventually or become too big for his fairly stout frame.

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If we're talking Cap's admantium shield vs. Logan's admantium claws, I think that the deciding factor would be something else.

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There is no way he could be the strongest mutant. None of his mutant abilites really augment his strength all that much. Unlike Magneto who can use his magnetic powers to augment his physical strength allowing him to press over 100 tons (like the Incredible Hulk). Then there is Colossus who can press around 70 tons...oh and of course Apocalypse, probably the most powerful mutant ever, his strength is potentially incalculable. In the realm of mutants Logan is nowhere near the strongest. In the realm of humans he is at the peak, able to press around 800 pounds.

I'm fairly new to comics and ignorant of such matters

. I retract my "strongest mutant statment." Hopefully this summer will be filled with me catching up as much as one man can in 3 months.

**Skeeter** · 05-08-2004, 12:27 AM

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If we're talking Cap's admantium shield vs. Logan's admantium claws, I think that the deciding factor would be something else.

Cap's shield isn't made of adamantium. Any information you find that says that is wrong. Various comic writers have erroneously written that it is, but it's actually a vibranium-steel compound of some sort, invented by the same man who invented adamantium. I really wish I could find the comic that explained that, but it's buried with all my other comics in a box in the basement.

**slap_j** · 05-08-2004, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeeter

Cap's shield isn't made of adamantium. Any information you find that says that is wrong. Various comic writers have erroneously written that it is, but it's actually a vibranium-steel compound of some sort, invented by the same man who invented adamantium. I really wish I could find the comic that explained that, but it's buried with all my other comics in a box in the basement.

Captain America's only weapon is his shield, a concave disk 2.5 feet in diameter, weighing 12 pounds. It is made of a unique Vibranium-Adimantium alloy that has never been duplicated. It is virtually indestructible: it is resistant to penetration, temperature extremes, and the entire electromagnetic spectrum of radiation. The only way it can be damaged in any way is by tampering with its molecular bonding.

BTW, here is my personal opinion. I didn't want to say at first because I didn't want to bias anyone else's opinion. I think that eventually Captain America would win. Logan and Cap are about as physically strong but he is a better fighter than Logan in addition to being faster and more agile. Either way, it would be a close battle.

**Skeeter** · 05-08-2004, 12:50 AM

Where'd you get that description? It's almost correct, but his shield came before the invention of adamantium, so it's not an alloy with adamantium. Dang, I need that comic...it was Avengers Vol. 3 Annual #2? Shoot, can't remember which one it is.

**slap_j** · 05-08-2004, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeeter

Where'd you get that description? It's almost correct, but his shield came before the invention of adamantium, so it's not an alloy with adamantium. Dang, I need that comic...it was Avengers Vol. 3 Annual #2? Shoot, can't remember which one it is.

From the marvel directory. It is unofficial. Whether it has adimantium or not, it is indestructable. Logan's claws couldn't harm it.

**Skeeter** · 05-08-2004, 01:10 AM

It's definitely invulnerable. So...really, this discussion is thoroughly pointless. But oh well. Quite clearly I am a geek...

**slap_j** · 05-08-2004, 01:38 AM

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Quite clearly I am a geek...

Haha, me too.

If this discussion is over I have an idea for the next battle. I will wait a bit though and see if all of the dicussion is squeezed out of Cap vs. Logan.

Jay42 · 05-08-2004, 09:34 AM

Josh, great thread idea. I could do these matchups all day.

I noticed the issue came up on another board and also yet another board, and the conclusion matches mine. Cap. It's part of the Marvel lore that in any situation where the chips are down and the outcome is uncertain, Cap always comes out on top.

Were it not for that unique talent of Captain America though, Wolverine would likely decapitate him.

Since I think most of you know that these are both real people, I wanted to show you the real pictures of them I recently took: