Has anyone ever heard of Bill C250?

Justin Gair · 04-29-2004, 10:55 PM

hey guys? I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of Bill C250. I live in Canada (yes i know, make all the jokes you want) but the Canadian Government is deciding on this thing. Basically it's to say that the Bible is full of hate literature and to condemn certain parts of it. I was wondering if anyone knows if this is just in Canada or if it is throught the world or what? Personally I am appauled by this and i believe it shouldn't be passed. I'm just wondering other people's perpectives on this very serious matter...

JerryLove · 04-30-2004, 08:09 AM

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Personally I am appauled by this and i believe it shouldn't be passed.

So you support hate literature?

Benny Hicks · 04-30-2004, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

So you support hate literature?

Yes.

Ben

Insane Drummer · 04-30-2004, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

So you support hate literature?

If what is contained in the Bible is considered hate literature; then yeah, I geuss we do.

shakeybill · 04-30-2004, 08:17 PM

Wow, I hope it's not speading beyond Canada.

BTW, I guess I like hate lit too...

In Christ, Bill

Chris · 05-01-2004, 02:39 AM

[QUOTE=shakeybill]Wow, I hope it's not speading beyond Canada.

BTW, I guess I like hate lit too...

In Christ, Bill[/qoute]

I hope it doesn't even spread within Canada.

If they actually pass this rediculous bill then I guess I'll end up as a racist in the governments eyes. Oh well.

JerryLove · 05-01-2004, 11:33 AM

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If they actually pass this rediculous bill then I guess I'll end up as a racist in the governments eyes.

Does the Bible support a racist position? If so, do you hold it? If so, aren't you a racist? If not, how will it make you a racist in the government's eyes.

I think every race that the Bible condems, it does so and then God either commits genocide himself, or has the Isrealis do it.... hrm, I wonder if its considered racisism to be bigoted against a race that has been wiped out.

Of course, there are other types of hate than racism.

Eddo · 05-01-2004, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Gair

hey guys? I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of Bill C250. I live in Canada (yes i know, make all the jokes you want) but the Canadian Government is deciding on this thing. Basically it's to say that the Bible is full of hate literature and to condemn certain parts of it. I was wondering if anyone knows if this is just in Canada or if it is throught the world or what? Personally I am appauled by this and i believe it shouldn't be passed. I'm just wondering other people's perpectives on this very serious matter...

I agree. I have to wonder where our freedom of speech is going? Do they seriously have the right to jail or fine me because I believe homosexuality is wrong and stand up for my point of view?

Canada has turned into a weak/pathetic Country. Too afraid to stand up for anything Moral. All these people coming in from other countries shoving their 'lack of morality' down anyone's throats who doesn't have a clear opinion. It's sickening... and what's even more sickening is most of us Christians are too afraid or lazy to do anything about it.

Eddo · 05-01-2004, 08:37 PM

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Does the Bible support a racist position? If so, do you hold it? If so, aren't you a racist? If not, how will it make you a racist in the government's eyes.

I think every race that the Bible condems, it does so and then God either commits genocide himself, or has the Isrealis do it.... hrm, I wonder if its considered racisism to be bigoted against a race that has been wiped out.

Of course, there are other types of hate than racism.

The Bible clearly says to 'Love your brother as yourself" also "Do not hate" and "Do not murder". I'm not theologan and I don't fully understand the Bible, but the above verses are fully intended for us to obey.

Also, how can the government pick apart the Bible and rule against it when they have not read it, nor understand it themselves???? The message in the Bible is God hates sin, not the person who commits it. So its wrong for me to hate homosexuality when I find it utterly and totally discusting, even though I don't hate the person??? I hate *with a passion* imported cars, maybe they should lock me up for that!

shakeybill · 05-01-2004, 08:42 PM

Guys,

Forgive my ignorance regarding Canadian law but does Canada have free speech protection as does the US in the US constitution?

Dissent involving a moral objection to a certian behavior is protected speech (usually) here in the US. I hope you Canadian brothers have some constitutional protection on this or you could be in deep weeds.

In Christ, Bill

JerryLove · 05-01-2004, 08:47 PM

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The Bible clearly says to 'Love your brother as yourself" also "Do not hate" and "Do not murder".

It also says "take the land I have given you and kill anyone in it" and "stone to death anyone who works on the sabbath".

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Also, how can the government pick apart the Bible and rule against it when they have not read it, nor understand it themselves

Who are the people you are concerned have not read it?

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The message in the Bible is God hates sin, not the person who commits it.

Well, god does often order genocide, advocate killing, and generally commit malevolent acts.

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Forgive my ignorance regarding Canadian law but does Canada have free speech protection as does the US in the US constitution?

Free speech is not absolute. You cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, threaten someone, share classified information, or say you have a bomb on a plane.

shakeybill · 05-01-2004, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryLove

Does the Bible support a racist position? If so, do you hold it? If so, aren't you a racist? If not, how will it make you a racist in the government's eyes.

I think every race that the Bible condems, it does so and then God either commits genocide himself, or has the Isrealis do it.... hrm, I wonder if its considered racisism to be bigoted against a race that has been wiped out.

Of course, there are other types of hate than racism.

Racism is not supported in the Bible. There were a number of mixed marriages in the OT (Moses and Solomon come to mind) and the NT clearly states that all are equal in Christ Jesus.

The genocides in the OT could not have been because of racism. All of the peoples that God and/or Israel wiped out were decendents of Abraham, hence all were the same race (Semitic) as Israel. This is not to get into a discussion of the genocides themselves which should be a separate thread.

In Christ, Bill

shakeybill · 05-01-2004, 08:59 PM

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Free speech is not absolute. You cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, threaten someone, share classified information, or say you have a bomb on a plane.

I understand that.

An example of a Canadian who could be in trouble because of this would be a minister who refused to marry a gay couple (assuming Canada has gay marriage at some point).

We are not talking about some Canadian who incites a riot or some other 'fire in a theater' type of speech.

In Christ, Bill

JerryLove · 05-01-2004, 09:40 PM

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Racism is not supported in the Bible. There were a number of mixed marriages in the OT (Moses and Solomon come to mind) and the NT clearly states that all are equal in Christ Jesus.

All believers at any rate.

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The genocides in the OT could not have been because of racism. All of the peoples that God and/or Israel wiped out were decendents of Abraham

"race" is a nebulious term; certainly they were not decendands of Jaccob.

Of course, racism isn't the only type of hate.

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We are not talking about some Canadian who incites a riot or some other 'fire in a theater' type of speech.

Actually, we are not too far from the "riot" example when we disallow hate-literature. Many free and demorcartic countries have done so, but the US has a more liberal position than most.

Chris · 05-01-2004, 11:11 PM

yes Canada does have freedom of speech protection in the charter of rights and freedoms (similar to the bill of rights) in our own constitution.

If a minister here refused to marry a gay couple here then it wouldn't really matter. Sure he'd stir up controversy and everything but it's all controversy down here. He's refusing to bless something that's an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. I'd say what's going on down here is a little irrelevant.

Jerry - is a country that tries bans the people's beliefs truly free or democratic? sounds like a dictatorship to me.