POD - Page 11

Symbiotic · 06-09-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Do you not understand what the word "triune" means? How do you not understand that the God of Christianity exists as a trinity and thus is completely different from the god of Islam?

OK....my fault....i sometimes have trouble trying to say what i mean....so...that said...i'll try to be more clear....

The Muslims have created their religion from our God....they do not believe in a triune god....the god is the same root god....theirs without triune....however, they believe in the same god....but they don't believe he sent his son...in a way that's not the same god....BUT....remember, before Jesus, God hadn't sent a son...so they believe in God the way he was before he sent Christ....which, at a time would've been the same god....ours is different(you know what i mean, i hope)....but they are both from the same god....I hope you understand what i am trying to say...i don't know how to word it otherwise....

**Mr.Zachcore** · 06-09-2004, 05:37 PM

but now, soince the Trinity has been revealed and Jesus resurrected they do not believe in the same God. nor did they then. Islam didn't even exist until after Jesus came. SO they have built their religion up to make it appear as if their God and our God are one in the same when in fact they aren't.

**Sean** · 06-09-2004, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarman_888

OK....my fault....i sometimes have trouble trying to say what i mean....so...that said...i'll try to be more clear....

The Muslims have created their religion from our God....they do not believe in a triune god....the god is the same root god....theirs without triune....

....looks good so far....

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however, they believe in the same god....but they don't believe he sent his son...in a way that's not the same god....BUT....remember, before Jesus, God hadn't sent a son...so they believe in God the way he was before he sent Christ....which, at a time would've been the same god....

You think God has changed? He was different before Christ? That is contrary to scripture. The Old Testament points towards the messiah (Jesus). The Jews are still waiting for Him since they rejected Jesus. Muslims believe in a perversion of God. Islam didn't come til around 700 a.d. They rejected the God of the Bible and created their own. Further, they claim that the scriptures were corrupted by Satan. Only their writings are pure. They may also believe Abraham is their ancestor but their god is different.

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ours is different(you know what i mean, i hope)....but they are both from the same god....I hope you understand what i am trying to say...i don't know how to word it otherwise....

I sort of understand what you're saying but at the same time you keep repeating contradictory statements. You said, "they believe in the same god" and "ours is different." Those are blatantly contradictory statements. You must understand our confusion.

Danny · 06-09-2004, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarman_888

BUT....remember, before Jesus, God hadn't sent a son...so they believe in God the way he was before he sent Christ....which, at a time would've been the same god....

...swing and a miss.

Genesis 1
²⁶Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." (ESV; emphasis mine)

John 1
¹In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ²He was in the beginning with God. ³All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. ⁴In him was life, and the life was the light of men. ⁵The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
[. . .]
¹⁴And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (ESV)

Hebrews 13
⁸Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. (ESV)

God didn't start out one way and then suddenly become triune 2,000 years ago when He sent Christ to earth. God has always been a triune being, and Christ has always been, far before He became flesh.

Symbiotic · 06-10-2004, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

You think God has changed? He was different before Christ? That is contrary to scripture. The Old Testament points towards the messiah (Jesus). The Jews are still waiting for Him since they rejected Jesus. Muslims believe in a perversion of God. Islam didn't come til around 700 a.d. They rejected the God of the Bible and created their own. Further, they claim that the scriptures were corrupted by Satan. Only their writings are pure. They may also believe Abraham is their ancestor but their god is different.

Ok....ours is the same god....i guess you didn't understand my wording....same god, different actions...understand that?....before Jesus, God was the god above all gods....then, after Jesus came, He was a god who sent his son to die....get it?...

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I sort of understand what you're saying but at the same time you keep repeating contradictory statements. You said, "they believe in the same god" and "ours is different." Those are blatantly contradictory statements. You must understand our confusion.

i don't mean to be contradictory...if i am being so, sorry.....see above for what i mean by different....like i said, based on the same god....but theirs didn't send his son to die....comprestand?...

**Sean** · 06-10-2004, 09:00 PM

The problem is that all of the Old Testament points towards Jesus. Prior to Jesus, Jesus obviously hadn't existed in the flesh, but that doesn't mean that God suddenly changed when Jesus was born. He was is and will always be the same. There is no distinction between the Old and New Testaments when it comes to who God is. Further, Islam came 100s of years after the New Testament. They reject what it teaches and pervert the Old Testament. It really doesn't follow to claim they are the same God inspite of all of this. ...and even further, IT ISN'T JUST THE ACTIONS. The God of Christianity exists in three persons, a TRINITY. Their God does not. He is different in being, action and character. How is this the same God by any means?

GuiTarDudE89 · 06-11-2004, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarman_888

Ok....ours is the same god....i guess you didn't understand my wording....same god, different actions...understand that?....before Jesus, God was the god above all gods....then, after Jesus came, He was a god who sent his son to die....get it?...

What actions are different? Sure, his plans got screwed up when Adam sinned, but after that he had always planned to send his son to save Israel.
That's obvious throughout all of the Old Testament.

Symbiotic · 06-13-2004, 08:30 PM

Sorry guys...i havn't rreally been saying things how i mean to....they are different gods....but are based on the same god...

GuiTarDudE89 · 06-13-2004, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarman_888

Sorry guys...i havn't rreally been saying things how i mean to....they are different gods....but are based on the same god...

You finally start to make sense.

Jonular · 06-14-2004, 12:19 AM

Okay, so back at the topic at hand.......P.O.D.

Now someone give me a good reason why P.O.D. had a Rastafarian priest worship his false god on their CD.

~Jon

Symbiotic · 06-14-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SystemOfAJon

Okay, so back at the topic at hand.......P.O.D.

Now someone give me a good reason why P.O.D. had a Rastafarian priest worship his false god on their CD.

~Jon

Sorry for the confusion guys....my fault...

When i say our Jah, i mean Jesus...

Ok....on any other song would it have been ok?....sure....so why not on "without jah".....Even if to the priest, our Jah doesn't exist, he was still singing about our Jah....."without jah, nothing, nothin....with jah, everything"...their jah doesn't mean everlasting life like ours does.....so he wasn't singing to his jah, he was singing to ours...even if he doesn't believe it, he wasn't singing to a fake god....he was signing to a real, living, god...

GuiTarDudE89 · 06-14-2004, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SystemOfAJon

Okay, so back at the topic at hand.......P.O.D.

Now someone give me a good reason why P.O.D. had a Rastafarian priest worship his false god on their CD.

~Jon

How can you expect anyone to give you a good reason? None of us here are in POD, so how can you expect any of us to know?

**Sean** · 06-14-2004, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarman_888

When i say our Jah, i mean Jesus...

Why? You've yet to supply a single reason for me to believe that anyone means Jesus when they say Jah. You simply keep asserting it.

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Ok....on any other song would it have been ok?....sure....so why not on "without jah".....Even if to the priest, our Jah doesn't exist, he was still singing about our Jah....."without jah, nothing, nothin....with jah, everything"...their jah doesn't mean everlasting life like ours does.....so he wasn't singing to his jah, he was singing to ours...even if he doesn't believe it, he wasn't singing to a fake god....he was signing to a real, living, god...

How is he singing to a God that he doesn't believe exists? How does that make any sense.

Visirale · 06-14-2004, 07:47 PM

I'm sorry, but calling the savior of Man, the Christ that had his skin pulled from his body by shards of glass and bone, the Son of God that had nails hammered into his wrists, through arteries, and nerves, who was killed by those he came to save... to call him "jah"... Just seems wrong. Jah conveys no respect, adoration... it's a nick name.

Here's my whole take on the POD issue, and pretty much any questionable "christian" band.

Matthew 7

A Tree and Its Fruit

15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

If they are Christians, why aren't they extroverting their faith for all to see? Instead they are making the picture more cloudy by inviting preachers from other religions to do songs with them. Someone please prove me wrong, it's tough to see a band of ambiguous faith possibly misleading masses of youth.

GuiTarDudE89 · 06-15-2004, 08:08 PM

They might refer to Jesus as Jah just so that non-Christians will listen to thier stuff. Think about it. If you weren't a Christian and you heard a band singing to Jesus, would you buy their CD? Probably not. But if you just hear Jah then more people are likely to buy it. Also, on "The Messenjah", the whole song is about Jesus' second coming. Even though they are saying Jah, they are talking about Jesus. If you don't believe me, read the lyrics in "The Messenjah"