Power of the Pope

Lightknight · 04-06-2004, 03:27 PM

Alright, I'd like to post some cool stories about the popes (the ones before the split of protestants with Catholics). I've heard some very very interesting facts and legends.

Legend: Attila the Hun is conquering much of Europe. According to legend, He comes to Rome to try and sac the city, but Pope Leo walks up to the Hun on the out skirts of city with a bunch of acrolytes holding candles. Lol, apparently, after a conversation with Leo, Attila turns his army around and leaves.

Fact: The papacy before Pope Gregory VII had become so corrupt and so ridiculous, that aside from the developing church mafias, the pope before Gregory the Reformer, pulled a pope from the grace, put the body on trial, convicted it to death, and buried it again!!! Also, 1/3 of the popes before Gregory had been murdered in Family disputes (mafia).

ICTHUS · 04-08-2004, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lightknight

Fact: The papacy before Pope Gregory VII had become so corrupt and so ridiculous, that aside from the developing church mafias, the pope before Gregory the Reformer, pulled a pope from the grace, put the body on trial, convicted it to death, and buried it again!!! Also, 1/3 of the popes before Gregory had been murdered in Family disputes (mafia).

Hahaha. Those Italians haven't changed one bit, even since the First Millenium!

Katholish · 04-16-2004, 12:42 PM

Pope St. Leo the Great's stop of the Huns is historical fact, the use of the word legend implies that its historical authenticity is in doubt.

The acts of Pope Stephen VII were annulled the year after the "snyod of the Corpse", by his successor Pope John IX. Pope Stephen never made any doctrinal pronouncements that history has recorded though.

The reform started by Pope St. Leo IX and continued by Popoe St. Gregory VII were very important in the history of the Church, undoubtedly there were many abuses of disciplinary and moral precepts even among the clergy.

Lightknight · 04-16-2004, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Katholish

Pope St. Leo the Great's stop of the Huns is historical fact, the use of the word legend implies that its historical authenticity is in doubt.

There's the legend of it, and the way it actually happened. Not always the same thing. k?

suntuoso · 05-03-2004, 06:49 PM

I can't really remember what popes it was, but they had 3 popes at one time and two of thwm excommunicated each other. That was kind of funny.

Lightknight · 05-04-2004, 12:47 AM

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I can't really remember what popes it was, but they had 3 popes at one time and two of thwm excommunicated each other. That was kind of funny.

Hahaha, yes, this was between 1378 and 1415. The two main popes were from France and Rome. This was all called the Western Schism. The third pope was only pope for 6 years. It was resolved in the Council of Constance in 1414-1417.

Katholish · 05-04-2004, 03:53 PM

In actuality though, there was only one pope, and the other two persons claiming that office were what is known to history as an "anti-pope". There was already a valid election for pope and he was clearly appointed when the French anti-pope was chosen, and the conciliar Pisan anti-pope was only chosen many years later.

**Athanasius** · 05-10-2004, 05:12 PM

suntuoso:

Just in case you don't have a hard copy (I myself left mine back in the States), here is a link you might want to reference:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm

Folks, let's try to keep the debate in here within the context of historical theology, or I'll have to split it and move it to Theology proper. This isn't a rap on the knuckles or anything, just a polite notice.

I will try to work up a set of rules with Benny sometime soon with the SM's input.

Cheers!

**Chrysostom** · 05-10-2004, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Athanasius

Folks, let's try to keep the debate in here within the context of historical theology, or I'll have to split it and move it to Theology proper. This isn't a rap on the knuckles or anything, just a polite notice.

Haha. You're trying to put a cork on the bottle of my seething excitement to respond. Ha.

Robbi · 05-11-2004, 10:14 PM

If you have a look in the Roman Catholic Forum, there are many questions and answers regarding the Pope, Purgatory, etc... just have patience and read through them. Back on topic now....just a query on how they decide the pope, I heard that they (nominated bishops I think) all put a piece of paper into an oven (or similar) and the one that starts smoking first is chosen.??

Robbi

suntuoso · 05-12-2004, 06:03 AM

No, They send all of the cardinals intoi ta building(i can't remember the name of it) and they take how ever long it takes for them to elect a new pope.

ICTHUS · 05-12-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbi

If you have a look in the Roman Catholic Forum, there are many questions and answers regarding the Pope, Purgatory, etc... just have patience and read through them. Back on topic now....just a query on how they decide the pope, I heard that they (nominated bishops I think) all put a piece of paper into an oven (or similar) and the one that starts smoking first is chosen.??

Robbi

Suntuoso is sort of right on this one. All the Cardinals go into the Sistine Chapel, and they vote on which cardinal they wish to be the next Pope. If there is a tie, then they vote again and again until there is a clear winner.

**Athanasius** · 05-13-2004, 06:31 AM

This is the first warning on this thread. Arguments over the veracity of Rome's claims today to papal authority are to be debated in Theology. This thread has completely jumped off the rails that it began on. Would everyone kindly read Gavin's first post and get back on track?

Thanks.

Lightknight · 05-13-2004, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Athanasius

This is the first warning on this thread. Arguments over the veracity of Rome's claims today to papal authority are to be debated in Theology. This thread has completely jumped off the rails that it began on. Would everyone kindly read Gavin's first post and get back on track?

Thanks.

Yes, thankyou. I would really like to hear some more stories, there are quite a few from what I've gathered.

ICTHUS · 05-13-2004, 02:37 PM

Pope Leo X, Pope at the time of the Reformation, had dinners that included puddings with naked little boys jumping out of them.

http://www.goacom.com/overseas-diges...history11.html

I have a feeling that half the difficulties of the Reformation would have been avoided had there been a man of God on the Papal Throne, and not a gluttonous fool like Leo X.