["BrooksB"]

Originally Posted by fifsuperpod37

I don't think a liberal message board and a conservative message board constitutes a comprehensive search.
People that use the Internet and message boards extensively enough to take these polls will be young, idealistic, and probably very extreme in their political views. Most of the public doesn't lie here and I think the perception of the public is the most important.
My point being that the kind of liberals you ask will tend to be of the variety that would vote for Kucinich. And the Conservatives you ask would be mostly the kind who would vote for Alan Keyes. Someone who would vote for Alan Keyes could call conservatively biased news liberal and vice-versa.

You're missing the point.... conservatives everywhere (not just Alan Keyes supporters) are pointing the finger at a "liberal" media. Likewise, liberals (not just Kucinich supporters) are saying it's conservative. There have been books written on this particular debate and it reflects this attitude of pointing fingers. When it comes down to it, there's really not a lot of blatant evidence for either side. My main contention is that mega media companies have benefited greatly (ie they've been able to get bigger w/ better profits) by conservative notions of deregulation while eliminating democratic principles like public ownership of airwaves. People could sit around all day and point out a conservative program here, a liberal program there, but the thing is, conservatives own the airwaves and they won't let liberal messages that truly hurt their agenda through to the public.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by BrooksB

I have heard CNN accused of being conservative. I also agree with it. Just look at the programming. It's so much like Fox News, the republican propaganda machine. I've sat around at times flipping back and forth between them watching the exact same things with the exact same spin.

how is CNN's programming anything like FoxNews? How is it conservative exactly?

No, they are not. They all have refused liberal messages from being placed on the air. Not exactly a liberal thing to do, is it? All these companies are big-corporation America, which is inherently conservative.

please cite examples of liberal messages that were denied air time.

All TV disgusts me. It's a bunch of crazy crap. This is one reason I see it as conservative. I know I'm very slightly left socially, so I figured that since it's outright oppressive to me that it must be conservative.

how in the world is TV impressive?

["BrooksB"]

Originally Posted by Bryan

how is CNN's programming anything like FoxNews? How is it conservative exactly?

CNN, like FoxNews, is sensational bull-crap, pseudo-journalism, half-truths, info-tainment. That is also how it is conservative. It detests questioning the status quo.

please cite examples of liberal messages that were denied air time.

I've seen adbusters flamed here before, but this is not a question of credibility. Here goes:

http://www.adbusters.org/testing/psy...olbox/mtv.html

They've been refused spots similarly by virtually every network even though they've put down the cash needed. It's blatant censorship.

how in the world is TV impressive?

Well, I disagree with nearly everything on tv, so it is to me.

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by BrooksB

I've seen adbusters flamed here before, but this is not a question of credibility. Here goes:

http://www.adbusters.org/testing/psy...olbox/mtv.html

They've been refused spots similarly by virtually every network even though they've put down the cash needed. It's blatant censorship.

that's not censorship. that's one person deciding who he will sell to.

Well, I disagree with nearly everything on tv, so it is to me.

but how does it oppress you? TV is not oppressive.

[fifsuperpod37]

No, they are not. They all have refused liberal messages from being placed on the air. Not exactly a liberal thing to do, is it? All these companies are big-corporation America, which is inherently conservative.

They run ads that will help their business. If an ad is too liberal and will turn off conservative viewers they won't air it. They do, however, feature news shows that carefully and sometimes blatantly put a liberal spin on coverage.

All TV disgusts me. It's a bunch of crazy crap. This is one reason I see it as conservative. I know I'm very slightly left socially, so I figured that since it's outright oppressive to me that it must be conservative.

A lot of T.V. disgusts me. That must mean I'm liberal. Except that I believe in limited Government, and Bush's war on terror, I'm against abortion, gay marriage, and gun control.
I think that it's more likely that the way T.V. presents itself turns you off.
Or you are a commie.

No, it's nothing like that. I said that because in op-ed sections the authors voice their own opinion so it can sometimes come off as liberal. I didn't call anyone stupid.

You said that editorial writers would actually get to use common sense, thus they would be liberal. You basically said that editorial writers aren't stupid, thus they are liberals.

No, they are not. They all have refused liberal messages from being placed on the air. Not exactly a liberal thing to do, is it? All these companies are big-corporation America, which is inherently conservative.

They don't want to lose money.
And having money doesn't make you a conservative.

I've seen adbusters flamed here before, but this is not a question of credibility. Here goes:

based on the brief article in the link you provided. I gathered that someone wanted to run an anti-MTV ad, got turned by MTV (what a shocker) and are accusing MTV of being undemocratic.

What a load of uneducated bull. Of course a company won't run an ad that could hurt their business. That does not make them conservative.
And since when does democracy mean denying people the right to control other's business and property?
People's airwaves my left foot. The fact that MTV can turn down ads that it doesn't want to run is a stronger sign for democracy. A country where the government would force MTV to run the ad is not a democracy but a totalitarian regime.

["BrooksB"]

Originally Posted by Bryan

that's not censorship. that's one person deciding who he will sell to.

It is censorship. There is a law that requires media venues to give an equal opportunity to any political viewpoint if they give it to that viewpoints in opposition. In this case, the viewpoint (anti-consumerist) is refused time when the opposing view (mindless consumption) gets infinite time.

but how does it oppress you? TV is not oppressive.

I believe I already told you. This point is irrelevant anyways.

["BrooksB"]

Originally Posted by fifsuperpod37

They run ads that will help their business. If an ad is too liberal and will turn off conservative viewers they won't air it. They do, however, feature news shows that carefully and sometimes blatantly put a liberal spin on coverage.

Like I mentioned previously, media venues are obliged to give time.

A lot of T.V. disgusts me. That must mean I'm liberal. Except that I believe in limited Government, and Bush's war on terror, I'm against abortion, gay marriage, and gun control.
I think that it's more likely that the way T.V. presents itself turns you off.
Or you are a commie.

This is an issue I'm willing to explore, if you are obliged to lay your bias down and discuss it. It's a point that's been brought up in this thread but not really discussed. Refer back to the idea that it may not be biased in any way.

You said that editorial writers would actually get to use common sense, thus they would be liberal. You basically said that editorial writers aren't stupid, thus they are liberals.

I recant. You win.

They don't want to lose money.
And having money doesn't make you a conservative.

The whole idea that communication is based on business instead of the message is conservative. It's not the money, but the fact that people can't even pay to get certain messages across while others can.

based on the brief article in the link you provided. I gathered that someone wanted to run an anti-MTV ad, got turned by MTV (what a shocker) and are accusing MTV of being undemocratic.

This was one incident. I can't find other articles on the site nor do I have the particular copy of the issue where they discussed several anti-consumerist ads being refused by all networks, not just MTV.

What a load of uneducated bull. Of course a company won't run an ad that could hurt their business. That does not make them conservative.
And since when does democracy mean denying people the right to control other's business and property?

Never. Since when did democracy mean that a few could have uninhibited control what we all own?

People's airwaves my left foot.

While we're talking about uneducated bull... The airwaves legally belong the citizens. Our federal government allocates those airwaves to companies via the FCC.

The fact that MTV can turn down ads that it doesn't want to run is a stronger sign for democracy.

Except that they can eliminate fringe voices in favor of mob rule (aka democracy gone tyrannical)

A country where the government would force MTV to run the ad is not a democracy but a totalitarian regime.

A country where one's voice is not allowed to be heard unless you agree with the one in control of the communications device is totalitarian. It is the voice of the people that is not heard, not the voice of the government.

[Prone2Wander]

Originally Posted by Travis

That's absurd. With the exception of Fox News, all TV is blatantly liberally biased. Radio is conservatively biased. Newspapers tend to be rather liberally biased.

I totally agree...And that is why I love Fox News

["BrooksB"]

Fox News: "Fair and Balanced"..... yeah right.

[emo_boy]

I think the majority of tv is highly liberal, radio is more conservative, and newspapers are a bit liberal.