[DarylB]

The system has been bashed pretty hard on some other forums, plus you need to do some special stuff so that you mics dont feedback. All in all i think the traditional way is traditional for a reason. The Bose system has been compared to beefed up computer speakers.

[CheshireCat]

Originally Posted by DarylB

The system has been bashed pretty hard on some other forums, plus you need to do some special stuff so that you mics dont feedback. All in all i think the traditional way is traditional for a reason. The Bose system has been compared to beefed up computer speakers.

Really? Hmmmmmmmm . . . . interesting. Got any links? If so, could you post them in the Bose PAS threads?

Originally Posted by PianoMan

I know that you said think long term, but this thread is not about long term purposes, it is about what to look at now. Go ahead and suggest trying out the system at a store, but recommend it in one of the several threads already started on the subject.

Agreed. I only take issue with anything myopic as far as just think about right now. Sure, I think that we get to be practical in the hear and now, and Dave made the excellent point that mid to cheap amps are easy to sell and replace, and I concur, but I believe in all things, to think long term.

Or, to put it another way, bring the today in focus within context of tomorrow and the future. The future is easier to predict than most people think. If you choose a path, there are certain things you can count on happening, sooner or later. Certain eventualities. I just suggest keeping them in mind.

That's all.

This sounds like you are taking the arguments personally. I really don't think that anyone here meant it to sound insulting towards you (I hope not). I hope you won't take it like that.

Well, not really. I mean, sure, I have encountered some definite ad hominem attacks in the past by other members, but basically it just drives me nuts to see non-sequitous responses that tell me that the person never read my original post, or weighed it, or gave it the due consideration that I did while making it, but then has no problem spring-boarding from it and going off on an ego-invested agendized tear which rants thru a bunch of opinions that I never had and issues I already addressed. That get's infuriating.

Not saying that you did any of that, but in other threads, I have often said the same thing no less than 8 times because people never bothered reading the previous posts and kept saying the same stuff over and over.

Again, I just don't see how this system really has anything to do with this thread, which is why I would rather limit the discussion to the other threads on the subject.

Well, yeah, so I've carried the discussion over to another thread. But, either way, I always say "Begin with the End in Mind".

(BTW, I also commented on tube stuff as well.)

Chesh

[Dave H]

Originally Posted by CheshireCat

But, either way, I always say "Begin with the End in Mind".

I must admit, that's a nice idea, and in a perfect world that would be the way to do it. But, on this journey of being a musician, who knows where your path will lead?

Take my own musical journey up to this point. I started out playing guitar so I could learn to play like metallica, like slayer, like megadeth, and all my other favorite bands when I was growing up. That was what I was into. When I started learning a thing or two and had some money, I bought the best Ibanez I could afford, I bought a powerful marshall, I had my boss metal zone etc. But. But I got saved and my life changed forever, and now several years later I play P&W at chuch and with our YG and well, an Iby with double humbuckers and a big marshall just aren't producing the sound I look for now. So, while I still have most of that gear, I also have all new stuff I use on daily basis while that old stuff more or less collects dust I guess my point is, that you can't always see what your future's going to be like, so you might as well get what's best right now and as far as you can see...I say there's a good chance that musically speaking, that's what will make a person most happy

[CheshireCat]

You made some imteresting points.

Originally Posted by Dave_01

I must admit, that's a nice idea, and in a perfect world that would be the way to do it. But, on this journey of being a musician, who knows where your path will lead?

Take my own musical journey up to this point. I started out playing guitar so I could learn to play like metallica, like slayer, like megadeth, and all my other favorite bands when I was growing up. That was what I was into. When I started learning a thing or two and had some money, I bought the best Ibanez I could afford, I bought a powerful marshall, I had my boss metal zone etc. But. But I got saved and my life changed forever, and now several years later I play P&W at chuch and with our YG and well, an Iby with double humbuckers and a big marshall just aren't producing the sound I look for now. So, while I still have most of that gear, I also have all new stuff I use on daily basis while that old stuff more or less collects dust I guess my point is, that you can't always see what your future's going to be like, so you might as well get what's best right now and as far as you can see...I say there's a good chance that musically speaking, that's what will make a person most happy

Ultimately, you made some smart decisions in your original purchases. An Iby and Marshall are good investments, and highly prized around here by many of the other "saved" members. In a related sense, since everyone on here is saved (as far as we know) then odds are they won't experience the radical life change that you experienced, principly because they already experienced it.

Mainly, young members can predict the future. How? Simple. Come on here to the CGR and ask about the eventualities. I've started several threads about that myself, and others have been started.

Not only that, they can learn from each other's posts, and how the senior members respond to them.

Why not post a thread such as "I am just getting into guitar and I want to play for the rest of my life because I am passionate about this. What will I need to know in my musical career?" Seriously. Why not? Why not ask their music minister? Why not look at the masters and see what they have been doing?

Either way, Life is Managed, Not Cured. They don't have to make the perfect decision, just an excellent one, and then they can evolve it as needed.

Chesh

[PianoMan]

Originally Posted by Dave_01

and now several years later I play P&W at chuch and with our YG and well, an Iby with double humbuckers and a big marshall just aren't producing the sound I look for now. So, while I still have most of that gear, I also have all new stuff I use on daily basis while that old stuff more or less collects dust

Well if you don't want them, I would be glad to take them off your hands! I'll even pay shipping!

[Dave H]

Originally Posted by PianoMan

Well if you don't want them, I would be glad to take them off your hands! I'll even pay shipping!

It's an interesting idea, but I don't think I'm quite ready to part with them. I've gotten rid of too much stuff that I wish I had still I like to keep the amp, because while I'm not using it regularly right now, I play in shows here and there and there's not always a good pa system to mic my smaller amp with so a loud amp is necessary. The guitar, well, considering it was my first guitar of some quality, it has sentimental value at this point. So, thank you for the offer, but I must decline at this time

[PianoMan]

Geez, you know I was joking? I don't know if you took me seriously or was joking in return!

[Dave H]

Originally Posted by PianoMan

Geez, you know I was joking? I don't know if you took me seriously or was joking in return!

Honestly? I couldn't tell, so I took you as serious... oops

[Saxophone]

I see Chesh's points clearly. I agree with him but he wants something for right now so lets suggest something for right now. However if you truly want something you can get it like Chesh said. I don't feel it's a mateer of age but a matter of will power. This isn't for every one I know so don't complain to me about it but for most of us it is. Just set your priorities streight. I gave up my license so I can get a Gibson this fall. Along with a great amp of course . I'm only 16 so that's yet another example of what Chesh is saying. Anyways I would look into Marshall or Fender amps right now julianaTheory30.

[CheshireCat]

Originally Posted by Saxophone

I see Chesh's points clearly. I agree with him but he wants something for right now so lets suggest something for right now. However if you truly want something you can get it like Chesh said. I don't feel it's a mateer of age but a matter of will power. This isn't for every one I know so don't complain to me about it but for most of us it is. Just set your priorities streight. I gave up my license so I can get a Gibson this fall. Along with a great amp of course . I'm only 16 so that's yet another example of what Chesh is saying. Anyways I would look into Marshal or Fender amps right now julianaTheory30.

Wise man indeed. And thanks for the acknowledgement. It's people like you and Rainer that truly inspire me.

Chesh

PS - Marshall tube amps are a brainy no-brainer. Tubes all the way.

[julianaTheory30]

Everybody in this thread has helped me so much, even though I get confused about what you guys are talking about,but now I understand. You guyz are great with all the input. Chesh sorry for skimming over some of your long posts,hehe. I still have a question about these tubes; What companies still make tubed amps?

I was borrowing my brothers amp for a bit (he's the best guitarist i know, or heard, next to Johnny Greenwood and Hendrix) and it is "the Twin" by Fender. It's tubed and AMAZING. I don't want to give it back to him. So ya, what companies still make tube amps?????

Thanx again for all.

[PianoMan]

Just about everybody does. Since tube amps are agreed to be the best sounding by the vast majority, just about everybody makes them.

[julianaTheory30]

Originally Posted by PianoMan

Just about everybody does. Since tube amps are agreed to be the best sounding by the vast majority, just about everybody makes them.

COOL!

[CheshireCat]

Originally Posted by PianoMan

Just about everybody does. Since tube amps are agreed to be the best sounding by the vast majority, just about everybody makes them.

Solid state = synthetic. Tubes = organic. IOW, tubes feel real.

The texural difference between solid solid state and tube is like the difference between vinyl vs. genuine leather, silk flowers vs. fresh cut roses, formica vs. handcarved mahogany or oak, school lunch hamburger vs. filet mignon. And, no, that's not an exaggeration.

That's why tubes are so highly prized. In fact, they are often referred to as flesh toned.

Chesh