01-20-2004, 08:20 PM
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#16 | | Banned
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Originally Posted by Bryan no offense to travis, but I seriously doubt I would vote for him in a primary | Good.  There's no sense in wasting your vote since no one under 35 can be president. |
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01-21-2004, 12:09 PM
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#17 | | A fan of the lemer[sic]
Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Nowhere, ID Posts: 19,174
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Not perfect, but moreso than is Bush.
| Why? How close must they be? Or is it a personal thing?
I'm confused as to whether you are saying voting for the "lesser of two evils" is sinful or not. Technically, we do this every election, unless one of the candidates agrees with everything we say, for we must way how their disagree and agree with us and see which is closet or will do best. In doing so, we must weigh which is lesser in terms of disagreeing with us (or, the less "evil"). Quote: |
Then they won't vote for it.
| I know, so why vote for a losing party?
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01-22-2004, 07:41 AM
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#18 | | Cheer up! He's callin you
Joined: Oct 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 684
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Originally Posted by +Donny I know, so why vote for a losing party? | If I may be so bold as to answer a question that was not posed to me.....
I think voting for an independant party that's not going to win may easily be the best use of your vote. Currently we are under a national 2 party system (2 parties is laughable just about anywhere else in the world, theres like 30 in Italy yadda yadda) This leads to people backing political parties that they don't like because the ONLY other choice seems worse.
For instance, no matter who ran against Clinton, I was voting for them. Pretty much no matter what. Quite a few people vote like this, not for who they want, but against who they don't want.
Sadly though, our system is set up to maintain itself as two party. Specifically, the two prime parties have matched governmental funding. That is the Gov't actually matches there spending! (If anyone knows tons about this please feel free to elaborate) In order to get matched funding for a third party, that party has to get more than (I believe) 5% of the popular vote.
That being said, the only way to make our political choices wider, and therefore of higher quality, we need to try and get some third party up to 5%.
If you are a republican for instance, and you live in Texas..... vote for a third party! Bush will win Teas after, so no harm done there, and maybe, just maybe, we can help a third party break into our system....
That's why I vote for losers anyway....
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01-22-2004, 07:59 PM
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#19 | | Emerging Church Attendee
Joined: Jul 2003 Location: Missouri Posts: 218
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Originally Posted by Billy Shears to paraphrase a friend of mine: When you choose the lesser of two evils, you all ways get evil and you're going to end up with less. | So according to most on these boards, i should vote democrat, so is till get eveil, yet i get more? as in better? as in more for my vote? or did you mean less evil? granted, i'm voting dem. anyways...
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Can't you find something better to do
Point the finger, slow to understand
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01-22-2004, 09:43 PM
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#20 | | Banned
Joined: Oct 2001 Location: The LBK Posts: 17,281
| The Democrats are not the lesser of the two evils. Supporting the slaughter of babies in the womb is not an acceptable option. |
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01-22-2004, 09:54 PM
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#21 | | Emerging Church Attendee
Joined: Jul 2003 Location: Missouri Posts: 218
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Originally Posted by Travis The Democrats are not the lesser of the two evils. Supporting the slaughter of babies in the womb is not an acceptable option. | HA! HA! HA! oh, that makes me laugh. considering pro-choice is not advocating abortion, its just not making it illegal... which is really pointless anyways, cause it'll still happen, just in alleyways and bathrooms. i dunno, maybe i'm just wanting women who do decide to go through with this procedure to be safe while doing it. but thats just me... i dont know of a single democrat who actually SUPPORTS abortion by any means... they just dont want women to have to go to an alleyway to have it done is all... Banning abortion was tried before, and it decreased the amount of reported abortions happening by about .1 million, that was down from 2.3 million... to 2.2 million, wow, you know, it really seems like it worked! lets do it again! *notice heavy sarcasm*
__________________ Hearing only what you want to hear
And knowing only what you've heard...
"Before you judge me take a look at you
Can't you find something better to do
Point the finger, slow to understand
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand" |
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01-22-2004, 10:20 PM
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#22 | | Banned
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Originally Posted by CallingTheKtulu HA! HA! HA! oh, that makes me laugh. | I'm glad you can derive humor from the holocaust of the unborn. I'm glad you find it funny that babies are being cut up and having their brains sucked out while in the womb. Quote: |
Originally Posted by CallingTheKtulu considering pro-choice is not advocating abortion, its just not making it illegal... | Making murder legal is not an acceptable option. Quote: |
Originally Posted by CallingTheKtulu which is really pointless anyways, cause it'll still happen, just in alleyways and bathrooms. | All other murder will happen anyway as well. People still shoot one another while it's illegal. Should we make that legal as well, simply because people don't follow the law? What about rape? That still happens even though it is illegal. What about theft? That still happens even though it is illegal. You see, the fact that something occurs despite a law is no basis for advocating the abolition of that law. Quote: |
Originally Posted by CallingTheKtulu i dunno, maybe i'm just wanting women who do decide to go through with this procedure to be safe while doing it. but thats just me... | Then by all means, lets make a world safer for other murderers; let's make a world safer for rapists; let's make a world safer for thieves. Quote: |
Originally Posted by CallingTheKtulu i dont know of a single democrat who actually SUPPORTS abortion by any means... | By "support" abortion I mean stand against laws which prohibit it. Yes--all the democratic front runners support abortion in that sense. Quote: |
Originally Posted by CallingTheKtulu Banning abortion was tried before, and it decreased the amount of reported abortions happening by about .1 million | Yeah, babies (human lives) saved--who cares about that? |
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01-23-2004, 10:51 AM
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#23 | | A fan of the lemer[sic]
Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Nowhere, ID Posts: 19,174
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If I may be so bold as to answer a question that was not posed to me.....
I think voting for an independant party that's not going to win may easily be the best use of your vote. Currently we are under a national 2 party system (2 parties is laughable just about anywhere else in the world, theres like 30 in Italy yadda yadda) This leads to people backing political parties that they don't like because the ONLY other choice seems worse.
For instance, no matter who ran against Clinton, I was voting for them. Pretty much no matter what. Quite a few people vote like this, not for who they want, but against who they don't want.
Sadly though, our system is set up to maintain itself as two party. Specifically, the two prime parties have matched governmental funding. That is the Gov't actually matches there spending! (If anyone knows tons about this please feel free to elaborate) In order to get matched funding for a third party, that party has to get more than (I believe) 5% of the popular vote.
That being said, the only way to make our political choices wider, and therefore of higher quality, we need to try and get some third party up to 5%.
If you are a republican for instance, and you live in Texas..... vote for a third party! Bush will win Teas after, so no harm done there, and maybe, just maybe, we can help a third party break into our system....
That's why I vote for losers anyway....
| Good points. That would make me consider it a bit more.
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01-23-2004, 09:58 PM
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#24 | | Pictures Of You
Joined: Oct 2002 Location: Crystal Springs, Mississippi Posts: 1,034
| Do any of yall know of any web sites that give a description of what the Democratic nominees stand for (Morals, what they want to do, etc.)? Maybe im just too lazy to look or for these kind of things. Who knows? |
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01-26-2004, 03:41 PM
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#25 | | gypsy queen
Joined: Feb 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,103
| There *are* anti-abortion Democrats out there, although I'm not entirely certain if any of them are running.
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01-26-2004, 03:47 PM
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#26 | | gypsy queen
Joined: Feb 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,103
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Originally Posted by Travis Good.  There's no sense in wasting your vote since no one under 35 can be president. | In a couple of years, though, you can run for the House of Representatives...
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01-26-2004, 03:47 PM
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#27 | | Fabulous!
Joined: Oct 2001 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 15,838
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Originally Posted by Amanda There *are* anti-abortion Democrats out there, although I'm not entirely certain if any of them are running. | Zell Miller is antiabortion, but he isn't running. he's a democrat from georgia. |
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