Demons and Demonic Attacks

TheWalcralr · 01-07-2004, 10:20 PM

The reason you don't hear about modern day demon possession is because everyone writes it off as mental disorder, or disease, or some such thing. The reason this is done is because, if you study demon possession, you'll find that many characteristics that pertain to known demon possession are also characteristics of known psychological illnesses.
Demons would possess people because not everyone partakes in the readily available immoralities.

Just a note... there are NO instances of Satan possessing people. A human body couldn't bare the evil of Satan, it would be the negative equivalent of God inhabitting a human's body... and no Jesus wasn't that. Jesus was his own body, not some other human's.

Yeah, in Revelation Satan is thrown and bound into the abyss... of course all of the prophecies prior to that point haven't been fulfilled yet, so he isn't bound in the abyss. Don't quote the one of the ending chapters of a prophetic book until the rest of the prophecies have been fulfilled. It's not evidence of anything otherwise. And for those of you who have said Satan is bound and has no power, yet can still influence us... that's just stupid. To influence someone you must exert some type of power.

It is true that a demon cannot possess a truly Christian person, but just because someone says they're Christian doesn't mean they are.

Demons are in the world... they are not locked away somewhere dark and loathsome. Though they'd love you to believe they were. 'Cause then they can attack you all they want and you'll simply write it off as you "inherent human wickedness." Which by the way, is nonesense. At least if your Christian. Christ's death on the cross, and his resurrection, placed in us a new heart. This heart is pure. It is where God dwells. If the human heart, the center of a person's being, was, in fact, wicked, God could not dwell there because God cannot dwell in the presence of evil.

WooTang · 01-07-2004, 10:49 PM

It's always important to take Tim LaHaye's opinion into consideration.

It's also important to recognize the modern Church's unhealthy idolization of Satan. Remember, Satan isn't omnipresent. He can not be possessing someone in Africa, and be living under your bed, whispering in your ear at the same time. So I've never understood the current infatuation for wanting Satan the be the one who is oppressing you. So we really inhibit the correct understanding of the reality of Satan by viewing him as some all-encompassing representation of everything wrong in your life.

On a side note, I met a wonderful Pentecostal lady who worked in the mall where I worked, and one day she was looking down, so I asked her what was up. She said that she was having a really bad day, and it was because she had a demon. Call me crazy, but I always pictured the biblical example of possession as being a severe oppression that resulted in things like living around graves, naked, howling and mutulating yourself. It seemed to be trifling with the concept of spiritual warfare by saying that demons are causing you to have a lousy day.

Ritter · 01-07-2004, 11:37 PM

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Does the postmil/amil position say that Satan is bound and incapable of such things?

Is there a thread on the postmil/amil view of this? If so, can someone direct me to it? thanks.

ThePlaidRanger · 01-07-2004, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ritter

Is there a thread on the postmil/amil view of this? If so, can someone direct me to it? thanks.

http://www.christianguitar.org/forum...illenial+Satan
http://www.christianguitar.org/forum...illenial+Satan

Gracie Love · 01-08-2004, 12:32 AM

Satan and demons do get credit for many things that are just the world and normal worldly life. But Demons can attack you even a Christian through other people. My Example: Have you ever seen someone get saved and then everything seems to go wrong in there worldly life? The more they fellowship with God and strive to live in God's grace the worst things get for them at work and such? Have you noticed that when you pray for someone to get saved they appear to get worse before they get better?

Earlier what I meant to say about the pocessed Christian is he had backslid. It is true many chalk up the pocession to mental defect or other such things. DId you know drug abuse is a form of pocession. If you say Praise God or Jesus to someone or around them and the tend to act really funny. It might be a clue they need to be prayed for. Seriously prayed for. And don't stop praising GOd in front of them.

TheWalcralr · 01-08-2004, 02:15 AM

Demons can attack anyone, Christian or non-Christian, directly. It doesn't have to be through other people. They can still communicate with you, or try to influence you... they simply can't inhabit you. Which is the definition of possession, "to own, or totally control."

ThePlaidRanger · 01-08-2004, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by misti houk

Satan and demons do get credit for many things that are just the world and normal worldly life. But Demons can attack you even a Christian through other people. My Example: Have you ever seen someone get saved and then everything seems to go wrong in there worldly life? The more they fellowship with God and strive to live in God's grace the worst things get for them at work and such? Have you noticed that when you pray for someone to get saved they appear to get worse before they get better?

Earlier what I meant to say about the pocessed Christian is he had backslid. It is true many chalk up the pocession to mental defect or other such things. DId you know drug abuse is a form of pocession. If you say Praise God or Jesus to someone or around them and the tend to act really funny. It might be a clue they need to be prayed for. Seriously prayed for. And don't stop praising GOd in front of them.

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Originally Posted by TheWalcralr

Demons can attack anyone, Christian or non-Christian, directly. It doesn't have to be through other people. They can still communicate with you, or try to influence you... they simply can't inhabit you. Which is the definition of possession, "to own, or totally control."

Has anyone else noticed that none of these incredible assertions is backed up with an ounce of Scriptural support? No offense, but our standard is Scripture. We would be doing everyone a disservice if we just took your word for it - see Acts 17:11. If you are confident that what you say is true, please quit saying it and show us in Scripture. Otherwise, I doubt anyone is going to pay much attention to you.

Gracie Love · 01-08-2004, 07:41 AM

I believe it was asked if anyone had seen it. I have seen it.

As far as Scripture, Matthew 4:24, 9:16-17 talk about possecessions and casting out demons. Matthew 10:1,5-8 talks about Jesus ordaining the disciples to do as he does including casting out demons or unclean spirits.
Matthew 12:15,22,24; 15:22-28; There is still more in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Acts 8:7

Thank you and God Bless. I forgot about some of the scriptures on this matter and you asking me for them helped me look for them and read them, which in turns renews my faith and learn something new.

link2001 · 01-08-2004, 01:18 PM

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misti houk said:
Satan can whisper in your ear. And convince you of things. He can tell you that you have a calling you don't.

Is it really satan or one of his demons?

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TheWalcralr said:
there are NO instances of Satan possessing people.

John 13:26-27:
26Jesus answered, "It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish." Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. 27As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.

ThePlaidRanger · 01-08-2004, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by misti houk

I believe it was asked if anyone had seen it. I have seen it.

As far as Scripture, Matthew 4:24, 9:16-17 talk about possecessions and casting out demons. Matthew 10:1,5-8 talks about Jesus ordaining the disciples to do as he does including casting out demons or unclean spirits.
Matthew 12:15,22,24; 15:22-28; There is still more in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Acts 8:7

Thank you and God Bless. I forgot about some of the scriptures on this matter and you asking me for them helped me look for them and read them, which in turns renews my faith and learn something new.

I don't think anyone here denies that demon possession at least happened in the NT - I'm wondering where you're finding Scriptural support for drug abuse being a form of demon possession, or how you know that people having trouble after salvation are under demonic attack.

Gracie Love · 01-08-2004, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePlaidRanger

I don't think anyone here denies that demon possession at least happened in the NT - I'm wondering where you're finding Scriptural support for drug abuse being a form of demon possession, or how you know that people having trouble after salvation are under demonic attack.

What is held true in the Bible 2004 years ago is still true today.

I have a question in general. Do you believe that drug abuse is from God?
I don't. But if you look at the description in the bible of people that Jesus and the Apostles cast demons out of, and compare that to people whom abuse drugs it is there. I have seen it. I know a cocaine abuser whom walked into church was prayed for and recieved the Holy Spirit and began to Praise God and has never touched any drugs of any kind with NO withdrawl.