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Originally Posted by Chico

oh, ok. but i think i disagree. seeing as i am a Calvanist, and i think you are too, i believe that a child is chosen for salvation before they are born. that they are predestined by God's supreme plan for this. but i think there is a big difference between being predestined for regeneration, and being regenerative.

nothing can change that i am born, already being made for either destruction, or for glory. but when i actually am saved differs for many people. it doesn't happen at some certain point in time. therefore, by what you are saying, it seems that if we are predestined for salvation, that there is never a time we do not know God. but then we wouldn't need saving. so even as adults, there is a time we don't know God, until God regenerates us. so if we can't know God until He does that, how can an infant truely know God?

chris

Crap! I've been sucked into the debate...ahhhhh *dies*

You still have the same problem as before. We still cannot know who is saved and who isn't. I also hold that only the elect are saved - elected by God. However, we will never know that.

1 Corinthians 2:11
For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.