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Old 12-20-2003, 04:58 PM   #1
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Legitimate Question to non-Calvinists: read on!
Currently I have been engaged with my pastor and youth pastor in discussion of Calvinism, seeing as how they are both Wesleyan and think me mighty silly. =D

The point came up:

Me: Can God's will be thwarted by man?

Wesleyans: Yes.




Where does anyone get this? Even when I was Wesleyan I didn't believe this. It really smashes what contentment I have with my church life I have left (for now).

My other question is: if God's will could be thwarted, how would anything good be accomplished?

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Old 12-20-2003, 06:41 PM   #2
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I think that your Wesleyan friends are referring to Job 42:2 where it plainly says in no unclear terms that God's plans can, in fact, be thwarted by us super-powerful men. Some would also point to Isaiah 46:10 where it tells us how God can not accomplish all His good pleasure, but can only accomplish those things which man allows Him to accomplish. Afterall, it goes on to say in vs. 11, God is a gentleman and would never impose His will unless everyone else agreed to it.
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Old 12-20-2003, 06:51 PM   #3
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Some would also point to Isaiah 46:10 where it tells us how God can not accomplish all His good pleasure, but can only accomplish those things which man allows Him to accomplish. Afterall, it goes on to say in vs. 11, God is a gentleman and would never impose His will unless everyone else agreed to it.
So THAT's where that verse is! *rolls eyes*
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Old 12-20-2003, 09:09 PM   #4
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I think that your Wesleyan friends are referring to Job 42:2 where it plainly says in no unclear terms that God's plans can, in fact, be thwarted by us super-powerful men. Some would also point to Isaiah 46:10 where it tells us how God can not accomplish all His good pleasure, but can only accomplish those things which man allows Him to accomplish. Afterall, it goes on to say in vs. 11, God is a gentleman and would never impose His will unless everyone else agreed to it.
Watch out. Univ. Student might think that verse is real.

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Old 12-20-2003, 10:15 PM   #5
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Watch out. Univ. Student might think that verse is real.

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What would it prove? They're Old Testement, not the REAL Bible...
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Old 12-20-2003, 10:21 PM   #6
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So did y'all just decide to ignore the "legitamate" question that the thread asked, and just take pot shots instead?

Why would any honest non-calvinist bother?

Shame on all of you.
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Old 12-20-2003, 10:25 PM   #7
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It'd kind of hard for me to answer a question not directed at me.

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Old 12-20-2003, 10:28 PM   #8
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But given the climate the you and the rest have created, why should anyone bother?
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Old 12-20-2003, 10:33 PM   #9
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But given the climate the you and the rest have created, why should anyone bother?
To prove that Arminians are, if nothing else, more mature than us silly Calvinists.
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Old 12-20-2003, 10:38 PM   #10
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OK, I see your point. I apologize.
On with the question! Batter up!

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Well, okay then. Crap away...
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Old 12-20-2003, 10:40 PM   #12
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Well, okay then. Crap away...
Huh? (Was that responding to what I just said?)

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Old 12-20-2003, 10:46 PM   #13
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Huh? (Was that responding to what I just said?)

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no, I was responding to Doc Worm.

And in hindsight I shouldn't have. It just set me off, I guess.

Sorry Worm & Luke.
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Old 12-20-2003, 11:02 PM   #14
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Then don't say anything.
But he was not responding to the question (which was not directed to him)...
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I saw that he apologized, so I deleted it.
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