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Unread 12-16-2003, 08:27 PM   #1
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Why do bad singers always want to play & sing?

You know, ihave nothing again good guitar players. Not at all. That times time, dedication, and talent.

But why does every guitar player feel he has to SING too?

What's the best way to go up to some body and say, "Hey, you're no celine dion, but you make up for it by being naive?"

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Unread 12-16-2003, 08:38 PM   #2
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You know, ihave nothing again good guitar players. Not at all. That times time, dedication, and talent.

But why does every guitar player feel he has to SING too?

What's the best way to go up to some body and say, "Hey, you're no celine dion, but you make up for it by being naive?"
This only happens when you are around. The world hates you, and wants you to suffer by having to hear terrible vocalists.
Honestly though, many guitar players aren't that good of musicians, they can just play guitar. Furthermore, many good musicians cannot sing. My sister is an excellent clarinetist, music major at a highly respected music school, but I really don't like to listen to her sing.
I think that many people like to sing but honestly cannot tell that they are awful. Its just how it is. If you would like the start the revolution of telling poeple who can't sing that they are terrible, please move near me and take care of the bad people around here.

Now on the worship team I play on, anyone can sing, and we generally trade off who sings(to an extent) The kids who aren't as good of singers are generally good at knowing their limits and not exceeding them and sounding bad.

Or again, maybe the world hates you.
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Unread 12-16-2003, 08:40 PM   #3
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You know, ihave nothing again good guitar players. Not at all. That times time, dedication, and talent.

But why does every guitar player feel he has to SING too?

What's the best way to go up to some body and say, "Hey, you're no celine dion, but you make up for it by being naive?"
First, let me ask. Ever heard of Robert Smith?

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Unread 12-16-2003, 09:26 PM   #4
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usually its cause theres no one left. Drummer? not many can sing at the same time. Bass? some but u rarely see it. that leaves......ya guitar player.

plus most of the time the one who plays guitar is putting the band together and usually writes the music. So he just ends up singing also. I dont know its wierd. I know that its true for me though.....im a bad singer...but i have to cause i dont have a choice....theres really no one else
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Unread 12-16-2003, 09:42 PM   #5
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What annoys me when someone is a singer and not a guitar player. This guy that leads worship is better at guitar than I am but, when he sings, every time, he usually stops playing because his focus isn't on guitar it's singing. Which really bugs me.
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Unread 12-16-2003, 10:44 PM   #6
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What annoys me when someone is a singer and not a guitar player. This guy that leads worship is better at guitar than I am but, when he sings, every time, he usually stops playing because his focus isn't on guitar it's singing. Which really bugs me.
My worship leader is the opposite of yours. Awesome singer, not real good with guitar.
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i don't really have a problem with 'bad' singers. the way i see it, if i don't like the way someone sings then i don't have to listen to them. that doesn't mean they should stop singing. if someone likes to sing, then i say go for it. have fun with it, worship with it. whatever you wanna do with it...if they enjoy it then it's cool...you don't have to listen..maybe some will actually improve too...i know of one person who couldn't carry a note to save their lives hardly that turned into a singer that now gets some "i LOVE your voice!" comments...so ya never know...
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Unread 12-17-2003, 12:33 PM   #8
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R youth band at r church has 2 guitars, a base, a drummer and a key board gal. 1 guitar refuses to sing so to base and a drummer is 2 complikated 4 me 2 mike up. So me other guitar(i can't sing i scream like a heavy metalist which is what i am) and the keyboard gal who won't admitte it but she is v. good. meaning I, the bad singer who can play the trombone and piano has to sing because the gal's high is not picked up to loud with the mike which when we 'my glouirus' is a real problem. The answer most guitst sing cos they have 2 or they r the best 2.
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having a little trouble reading the last reply, but...


usually "bad" singers don't bother me: you usually dont' really hear them during the songs and worship time anyways...unless it's a new song. and by "bad," i mean voice-wise (probably like me). what doesn't work is someone who can't hold a note in tune.
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Again, it's most likely because no one else will sing except for maybe the bassist.
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It may be that the singer needs to fine a key he can sing in and stick with it.
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You know, ihave nothing again good guitar players. Not at all. That times time, dedication, and talent.

But why does every guitar player feel he has to SING too?

What's the best way to go up to some body and say, "Hey, you're no celine dion, but you make up for it by being naive?"
I said:
First, let me ask. Ever heard of Robert Smith?

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Here's what I was driving at. This is an excellent example that explains what you are asking . . . kind of.

In case you didn't know, Robert Smith is the Main Songwriter, Lead Visionary, Founding Member, Main/Lead Guitarist, and Face of The Cure.

He is also their only Vocalist, and has been for over 20 years, tho, when he first started, he wasn't that good and couldn't really sing. At all. By any stretch.

And, originally, he didn't want to.

Back when the Cure first started, and was a garage band, they were nothing like they were today, and Robert was nothing like he is today. Back then, he was an 18 year old kid, much like a lot of you guys and gals here, who played guitar, wanted to have a rock band, and who knows, maybe make it big. But, mainly he just wanted to get chicks!

[Well, not really. He was already dating Mary, and found his girl for life! They've been married for close to 20 years!]

So, they start off, and he's just hanging out in the corner, playing guitar, writing tunes, leaving all the rock star stuff to everyone else. And as they are playing, developing, and trying to just get a stable line-up and get some consisitancy goingt, they went thru several singers. Four, in fact. And they were all great, and had great voices, sounded good, and yadda, yadda, yadda.

Well, problem was, not a single one of them was stable enough to make it. They just couldn't keep it together, and since Robert was the de facto leader of the band and sort of it's manager, he was the guy who had to put up with all that crap. Well, living one headache after another, and plotting your bands course one headache to the next, is no way to develop a band.

So, ultimately, after the fourth lead singer sort of snuffed it, Robert decided to shoulder the duty and be the lead singer himself, a job he initially didn't want to do and had no interest in, nor any real talent for.

Well, by that point, with their ever changing personnel liine-up somewhat stablized on a power trio, with him as the only guitarist, Robert found himself the frontman for this new, non-descript, New Wave band. Think tone-deaf, monotone, British Bob Dylan meets Nirvana.

Well, guess what happens. Robert gets good. His natural song-writing sensibilities start to immerge. After the first album, bassist Michael Dempsey leaves and Simon Gallup takes over. Simon has a gift for pop-friendly melodies, which beautifully meld with Robert's sensibilities. And, most critically, he develops as a singer. Like Johnny Cash, he has a narrow range, but it has plenty of character and personality, and he learns how to make the most of it, utilizing it to the max. They originally were a "no-image" band, but their personalities start to immerge, added by their marketing savvy manager, and a whole Cure concept and sensibility come out.

IOW, the Band evolves as a powerful musical concept and entity, and Robert evolves as a powerful song stylist. All the while doing excellent, and incredibly avant-garde guitar work, no less.

Now, Robert is one of the most famous singers in Rock, and The Cure an unmitigated Super Group, with a 20 year history of hits, heavy radio play, and sold out stadiums, arenas, and acropolises around the world.

And there is no other way that anyone could ever sing a Cure song. Robert's voice and sensibility is absolutely perfect.

Granted, whoever is singer, and not singing well, they may just be on a learning curve, and they may yet hit their mark, but when they do, wow!

Kind of like Arnold Schwarzeneggar. When he first started, every one said his three biggest stumbling blocks would be his muscles, his name, and his accent. Now, his three biggest and most identifiable assets are his muscles, his name, and his accent.

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Unread 12-17-2003, 10:18 PM   #13
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It may be that the singer needs to fine a key he can sing in and stick with it.
and then we'll have everyone singing in the same key. how fun.
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Unread 12-17-2003, 10:47 PM   #14
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Maybe its because if you just play...and there are no words, its not as effective?

I get annoyed by singers who try to play guitar and suck. (I'm a vocal performance major, and I can't play the guitar!) Yeah...if you dont' have it...dont' sing. If its distracting to the audience, don't sing...only sing if you are good...




but then again, its all subjective...so there are no real answers.
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Unread 12-17-2003, 11:02 PM   #15
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There are far too many singers who try to play guitar. If you watch many bands, they've got a lead, and the singer just sits there and strums G for the whole song. Those are the ones who really annoy me.

And I'm the opposite of these who can't sing when they think they can. People tell me I sing well, but I think I'm terrible. That's why when I get a band, I'm just gonna do lead and piano, and get one of my friends to come sing.
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