Homosexuals and adoption/foster care (and also marraige)

Brandon · 11-19-2003, 09:35 AM

Alright
I know, I know, this is a spinoff of the other thread, but I think that if I brought this subject up for debate in the other one, the page count would quadrupel.

Anyway, the question is:

Should homosexuals have the legal right to adopt/foster a child.

I'm going to throw in marraige too. Just to spice things up a bit.

Let's hear it guys...

Bless,
Brandon

Mike Graham · 11-19-2003, 10:11 AM

Yes, homosexuals can certainly marry and adopt. Who would claim otherwise? When they have repented of their sin and find a nice person of the oppisite sex who they want to marry and wants to marry them, I cannot think of any reason why they should not be able to marry. Then if he and his wife or she and her husband wish o adopt, normal procedure should be followed.

Chico · 11-19-2003, 10:21 AM

the only reason that i say they shouldn't be married is not due to anything of a legal matter, but because of the scriptural mandate of marriage. marriage has been defined by scripture to be a covanental bond between man and woman. no matter what the world tells me is appropriate and right, my main focus is scripture, and scripture tells me that not only is marriage for man and woman, but that homosexuality is a sin.

as far as the adoption thing, i think it may depend on whether or not this homosexual is a practicing one or not. i most certainly would not support a practicing homosexual couple to adopt a child, allowing them to raise that child immorally. if the person is not a practicing homosexual, but is single, and abstains from this sin with a repentant heart, then i don't think i would have a problem with it. i don't think it would be the best position for the child exactly, as having both a mother and a father would be the best position. but that doesn't have anything to do with the sexual orientation of the adoptee.

chris

Mike Graham · 11-19-2003, 10:45 AM

It is irregular for single people of any sexual persuasion to be allowed to adopt.

**Chrysostom** · 11-19-2003, 11:57 AM

In Romans 1, Paul discusses those who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness and worship the creature rather than the Creator, exchanging the truth for a lie. One prime example Paul gives is homosexuality (vv. 26-27). This is what is going on right now.

People want to take everything holy and remake it in their own image -- they want to worship the creature rather than the Creator. So, they take marriage. First, they figure that we ought to spoil the marriage bed, and steal one privilege of marriage -- sex. This, they think, is a great idea, since it perverts that which is holy. Second, there is trouble in "paradise." They're starting to figure out that there are spiritual and physical repercussions for this perversion. So, they try to remedy one physical repercussion, pregnancy, through abortion. In worshiping the creature, they are willing to do anything -- even murder children -- to escape worshiping the Creator.

Third, they decide that the God-ordained roles for men and women are too holy, so they need to pervert them. Women and men are seen as exactly the same, and we see radical feminism try to destroy the God-created distinctions. They can't stand to worship the Creator, so they turn the God-ordained order on its head. Women become as men, even stealing the position as pastors in God's Church. Fourth, destroying gender roles on one side isn't enough, so men have to become women. As a further extension, the marriage union -- man and woman -- must be perverted. Men must be united with men and women with women, they say, as this worships the creature rather than the Creator.

Fifth, the marriage union must be destroyed in its sanctity. Divorce must be made easy and "painless," so that there really isn't any commitment left in marriage. Worshiping the creature is worshiping myself, so I can't have Creator-ordained commitments to anyone. After all, that would mean that I'm not my own god. Sixth, the marriage union must be recreated in man's image. Homosexuals must be able to get married. Social tolerance isn't enough -- they need legal endorsement. And, of course, what would a marriage be without a family? Therefore, homosexuals have to be able to adopt children, so that they can have their own families.

Homosexual adoption is simply a further extension of that vile base for all immorality -- worshiping the creature rather than the Creator. Man seeks to be legitimized on his own terms in any way he can, running further and further away from God. He will do anything to be able to reject God. He will do anything to be his own god. He must worship himself, not God. Therefore, he must legitimize his own sin (homosexuality) by adopting a child.

This is the problem with homosexual adoption.

**Ted Logan** · 11-19-2003, 12:00 PM

Can a single person adopt? I ask because I do not know.

**Ridley's Own** · 11-19-2003, 12:37 PM

Aaron,

It depends on the state, I would imagine, but I can't think of any legitimate reason to limit adoption to a one person household.

I've not made up my mind on the gay adoption issue, but I would support some kind of civil union for homosexual couples.

**Ted Logan** · 11-19-2003, 12:49 PM

I am undecided on the issue, but I don't believe that we should consider unions between homosexuals marriages. They're certainly not recognized by God as such. As for adoption, I don't really know all things in consideration, but I'm not in favor of putting children in homes where they will be taught that homosexuality is right.

**Chrysostom** · 11-19-2003, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ridley's Own

I've not made up my mind on the gay adoption issue, but I would support some kind of civil union for homosexual couples.

Isaac, as honest and forthright as I can be: Why support, in any way, what God calls an "abomination"?

OliveShoot90 · 11-19-2003, 01:40 PM

Nothing makes me more indignant than the idea of homosexual marriage. This is one instance where I would willingly throw around the phrase "flaunting God's law"

Brandon · 11-19-2003, 02:17 PM

Ok, i got something going...good

Anyway, before you start screaming at me for being gay, I tell you:
I am for this fully.

Yes I do admit, you must be a couple to adopt, and I apologize for that mistake.

even so...(here we go, don't get mad)

You cannot, CANNOT bring the bible into this issue!

wow, that would get me killed if you knew where i lived.

that said, read the question again. It says LEGALLY.

get it?

I am for this issue, but not because I am going against God's commandmnets and laws, but because I have to follow America's laws too.

This is not a morals issue. If it was, I would have said NO. It is not a morals issue. It is a legality issue. Think about it. There is a thing called separation of church and state...we can't bring the bible, or scripture as a debate against this issue. You have to bring me stuff from the law of the united states.

That's why this issue is going to be hot. Look at ammendment 14 of the constitution of the united states. It explains why I cannot go against the legality of their right to foster, marry...

have fun with that one,

Bless,
Brandon

Brandon · 11-19-2003, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OliveShoot90

Nothing makes me more indignant than the idea of homosexual marriage. This is one instance where I would willingly throw around the phrase "flaunting God's law"

how many other times has the American Government flaunted GOD's laws??

Hmm?

Brandon · 11-19-2003, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eggy

I agree, Brandon, that America's laws are a separate issue than God's laws. But totally independent of God's laws, I still think it's a very scary idea, for the reasons I outlined above.

oh yes, I understand what you are saying...

I am against the fact that they should as a CHristian, but as an American, I have to say they have the RIGHT to according to ammendment 14
I never said that i wanted them to, just that they deserve the right to...
it is scary indeed...

JakeW · 11-19-2003, 02:47 PM

I think that you can disallow homosexuals to marry very easily.... After all marriage IS a religious ceremony.... In point of fact I'd say that the seperation of church and state instead makes it impossible for the governement to say gays CAN be married... after all religion is none of their buisness....

Now if you wanna talk about some kind of civil union where health care benefits can be shared and taxes can be filed as a couple that's a very different thing than marriage....

Jake

**Ridley's Own** · 11-19-2003, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mustbenothing

Isaac, as honest and forthright as I can be: Why support, in any way, what God calls an "abomination"?

I don't think the government is the mouthpiece of God, and shouldn't function that way. And you know I don't "support" homosexuality, so don't try to imply that I do. I think that civil unions work against the gay agenda. I don't think sin is something that negates equal protection under U.S. law. I think that Christians have made such a shambles of marriage that there seems very little moral ground for us to get worked up over. There is simply no reason to deny to a homosexual couple the rights and privleges that the government has extended to unmarried, heterosexual couples.

And note that I don't think gay marriage is a good idea. I think that if a couple (whether gay or straight is negligible) wants to enter into a legal contract (which is essentially what a civil marriage is, after all) with each other, that's their business.