This must be the worst advice you could ever get in the entire world of guitar buying

CheshireCat · 01-17-2004, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GMartin2R

if you wnat me to edit/delete the exchanged posts chesh, just say so. would have edited it but you put a fair amount of time into your rant and the next several posts wouldnt quite make as much sense but if you want it gone that wouldnt be a problem.

Nah, leave it. I was at first offended, but I got over it, and I think ultimately some good came of it. It serves as an important reminder that we all need to get along and serve and edify each other, even if we don't always agree.

Also, the point is well made, and I hope well taken, that age really isn't an important factor anymore. I think what happened serves as a powerful dichotomy between a "kid" who gets it, and a "kid" who doesn't.

So, ultimately, some good came of it, and I feel blessed for that.

BTW, you have been a great Mod. If I never got a chance to tell you that, I'm glad I can now.

Thanks for everything! I really appreciate it. Reps to you!

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Well I will let the Mods deal with Yoda, though I do NOT agree with what he said at all, but I will just stick to the post

Well, the Mods are cool like that.

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.....chesh, you asked if a newbie should either buy a guitar because someone says so or research it theirself?? I feel that the best answer to that question .....is .....BOTH!! If they have a friend who is knowledgable about guitars and wants to help them at a guitar shop, then that is fine.....but I also feel that the newbie should not just take their word for it! Posts like this one should help, but they need to do some digging on their own and find out what kind of guitar they need for the music they play. True, they may not know a Gibson Les Paul from a Fender Stratocaster, but everyone can read articles like this one and also ask guitar instructors and even players at local clubs or churches! Also,when you think about it, there is a WORLD of info on the net they could get, info I never had when I started because the net was not invented yet!

When you consider all of this, if they don't take advantage of all the information that is available today and still end up with a cheapo bad guitar, then to me it is their fault! Because they should have taken the time to ASK or READ! I am not trying to sound harsh or obnoxious, but I really feel like people need to take the time to learn all about an instrument if they are going to play it! This means not only practicing their scales and chords, but finding the right instrument for themselves is just as important a task!

Because the WRONG instrument could cause them much suffering and pain and eventually cause them to quit! Playing a guitar with strings a mile off the fretboard would be a challenge even for me and I have played guitar for about 24 years! My fingers are strengthened and calloused from so many years of playing, but think about some poor newbie who buys a bad guitar with a bowed neck, warped wood or bad electronics! No wonder a lot of people that learn guitar quit within a years time and never take it up again! It is probably because of a bad experience they had trying to hold down strings that a PRO guitar player would have a hard time with! Just my two cents......

Excellent. And profoundly true.

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Originally Posted by rainer123

Actually, a pro would probably have their guitar adjusted so the strings are as close to the fretboard as humanly possible...

Well, yeah, a Pro would, but I think Webe makes the point that a newbie wouldn't know these things, and as well they wouldn't, and don't, given all the posts to that effect around here.

Also, I am really starting to evaluate my definition of a "pro". It seems to me that a lot of "pros" these days work gratis at their church as the right hand of the Music Minister. It's almost a full time gig, and has all the responsibilities of a pro musician, with many of the same demands.

Chesh

**Rainer.** · 01-17-2004, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CheshireCat

Well, the Mods are cool like that.

Yeah. Guthrie, PMan, you guys are sooo cool!

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Well, yeah, a Pro would, but I think Webe makes the point that a newbie wouldn't know these things, and as well they wouldn't, and don't, given all the posts to that effect around here.

Also, I am really starting to evaluate my definition of a "pro". It seems to me that a lot of "pros" these days work gratis at their church as the right hand of the Music Minister. It's almost a full time gig, and has all the responsibilities of a pro musician, with many of the same demands.

Hmm... You got me thinking on that. How many people could possibly be professional musicians, when they only usually play at church over weekends?

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Chesh

Chesh

Was that a typo?

CheshireCat · 01-17-2004, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rainer123

Yeah. Guthrie, PMan, you guys are sooo cool!

Aren't they!?! Tres cool!

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Hmm... You got me thinking on that. How many people could possibly be professional musicians, when they only usually play at church over weekends?

Well, no, that's not what I meant. They work hard rehearsing, practicing, putting a lot of time in, and the only thing missing is the paycheck. Yes, actually pros who work a lot gig 24/7, but these guys in P/W bands work their tails off. I don't see them just strumming a few Kumbiya chords every so often. They really work it.

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Was that a typo?

What typo?

Chesh

**Rainer.** · 01-17-2004, 12:05 PM

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Well, no, that's not what I meant. They work hard rehearsing, practicing, putting a lot of time in, and the only thing missing is the paycheck. Yes, actually pros who work a lot gig 24/7, but these guys in P/W bands work their tails off. I don't see them just strumming a few Kumbiua chords every so often. They really work it.

That's what I meant. I guess it didn't make much sense, because of the use of the word "possibly". Yeah, I meant what you said.

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What typo?

Hmm... It seemed to have disappeared...

webe123 · 01-17-2004, 12:26 PM

Hey chesh, you said you don't see Praise and worsip leaders strumming a couple of kumbiua chords....well.....what about the KB FACTOR.......You know the "kumbuia factor" you posted about to see if a accoustic guitar was worth buying?? (HE! HE! HE)

CheshireCat · 01-17-2004, 12:27 PM

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Hmm... It seemed to have disappeared...

Hmmmmmmmmm . . . . strange. Most strange.

"Nobody told me there'd be days like these!! Strange days indeed!"

Chesh

CheshireCat · 01-17-2004, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by webe123

Hey chesh, you said you don't see Praise and worsip leaders strumming a couple of kumbiua chords....well.....what about the KB FACTOR.......You know the "kumbuia factor" you posted about to see if a accoustic guitar was worth buying?? (HE! HE! HE)

Well, yeah, the KF Index is important for determining the value of a guitar. Granted.

But I find that pros who have evolved on beyond the Kumbiya Factor are so much more fulfilling and rewarding.

Still, we do need to shout out to and rep the Kumbiya Factor and it's KF Index.

And, it's only appropriate that we reference it here in the Worst Advice Thread.

Chesh

Yoda_me07 · 01-17-2004, 06:10 PM

Hey guess whaT?

Did you guys know that samick (Korean Company) makes the bodys for Fender GUitars?

I think so. i heard of this new multiple times.

First GUitar
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My First guitar was a ashton electric. it was $500

**Rainer.** · 01-17-2004, 06:32 PM

Mods: Would the previous posts count as cheap posting?

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Did you guys know that samick (Korean Company) makes the bodys for Fender GUitars?

And I have a hunch that this statement might be implying something... But it might be nothing.

webe123 · 01-17-2004, 07:32 PM

@Rainer123.....you mean that the previous post would imply that SAMICK actually makes FENDER bodies?? Well....uh......(gasps throat and falls over with heart attack!)

**Rainer.** · 01-17-2004, 07:39 PM

No, the part about Koreans, silly...

CheshireCat · 01-17-2004, 08:43 PM

Well, Fender may have done some contracting in the past of cheaper parts, but given the fact that the bodies of the MIM Strats are MIM, I don't see them contracting high-end stuff out to Samick. Now, that said, I wouldn't doubt for a moment that they contract out Squier bodies to Samick.

BTW, the previoius posts count as cheap posting? Maybe, but important points about netiquette were made, which can serve us all, and off-shore construction/production is a legit concern and point of discussion.

Chesh

**Rainer.** · 01-17-2004, 11:26 PM

No just these two posts:

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My First guitar was a ashton electric. it was $500

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Hey guess whaT?

Did you guys know that samick (Korean Company) makes the bodys for Fender GUitars?

I think so. i heard of this new multiple times.

Edit:taken care of...

Yoda_me07 · 01-18-2004, 02:22 AM

Apoligy.

Hello,

Sorry about the tread "Rac*ist."

I have deleted it.
(I think)

Sorry,
I didnt know would be offencive

Im just too used to the forums that let you flame.
I quit going there. ( too Unchristian)

I know better not to flame anyone.

If i have offended you I am very sorry.

Please accept my apoligy..

GMartin2R · 01-18-2004, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda_me07

Apoligy.

Hello,

Sorry about the tread "Rac*ist."

I have deleted it.
(I think)

Sorry,
I didnt know would be offencive

Im just too used to the forums that let you flame.
I quit going there. ( too Unchristian)

I know better not to flame anyone.

If i have offended you I am very sorry.

Please accept my apoligy..

it's ok. but let's jsut remember where we are and who represent as Christians. we always need to be trying to becomes more like Christ so thinking about what you say is part of that. the bible says not to let anything unwholesome come from our mouths but only that which is good for building up. that's a good way to filter things. do they build up or tear down?

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No just these two posts:

the 2nd one maybe... i'll just merge the two posts. *meaning copy 1 to another and delete 1*

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Now, that said, I wouldn't doubt for a moment that they contract out Squier bodies to Samick.

if they could get em cheaper i woulnt see why not. shop the market unless you have reason not to. aka the mim and made in usa claims...