Mustbenothing: actually I will only speak with you, gathedge, and the fiveminute guy.
The rest of you can argue but I am not listening.
mustbenothing..You havent been rude therefor I respect what you say.
I am listening Ive heard your heart, you are not full of hate and you are truthful and have been arguing since the begining.
Gathedge: samething I listen to you.
Fiveminuteguy: your right women are to be under men I never said they werent.
Yes, its a natural order. unfortunately men arent doing their jobs in these end times. For example I have an Ex. Its an ugly word. But I do. He refuses to work or pay child support and left me and my baby to do drugs. So I have to work and supply what we need.
I go to church and take her with me and teach my little girl about God.
When my little girl says, "momie wheres dady" It breaks my heart. But you know what I look her in the face and I say God is our Father and he loves you very much.
So yes I am angry at men. Im angry because they havent done what thier suppose too.
When I started going to my church the men were nice to me and my daughter. I am thankful they are in our lives if it werent for them my little girl would have no father figure other than family and friends.
What I am saying is: I have been forced to fend for myself, make it on my own..well me and God (which he by the way is the best husband).
I have taken out some fustrations on you.
Forget yesterday I was PMS. Dont mess with a woman during that time shes meaner than a snake.
Here is what your not going to like:
There are women in my church who have shared on sunday morning.
They dont have titles but they share and I guess its teaching.
Now dont get in a wad..
They are under the authority of the pastor and it must be approved and even prayed over. Some of these Women are prophets and as we discussed earlier prophets are ok. The bible even says, "your sons and daughters will prophesy." These are the Last Days.
It just so happens that last night I was watching TBN and weather you like it or not I saw about 5 women preaching but the congergations were all women. But who ever watches this program will be taught.
Weather you like it or not TBN is broadcasted all over the world.
People watch it all the time. The women preachers had Stadiums full I mean FULL of people it was unbeliveable.
So, what do you do.
Get mad if you want call them names it wont change anything.
By the way since I made this topic I will pick and choose who I argue with.

[slap_j]

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

Mustbenothing: actually I will only speak with you, gathedge, and the fiveminute guy.

Hey, don't even know me yet.

unfortunately men arent doing their jobs in these end times. For example I have an Ex. Its an ugly word. But I do. He refuses to work or pay child support and left me and my baby to do drugs. So I have to work and supply what we need.

I don't think it's necessarily biblical that men be the breadwinners. And saying "men aren't doing their jobs" is a sweeping generality. Also, your 'ex' is not the archetype of man.

So yes I am angry at men. Im angry because they havent done what thier suppose too.

Another sweeping generality.

The bible even says, "your sons and daughters will prophesy." These are the Last Days.

Yes, which was back at pentecost, now we are well into the "millenium". I am not aware that there are still prophets. Although I know little about cessationism, maybe John can clear that up.

It just so happens that last night I was watching TBN and weather you like it or not I saw about 5 women preaching but the congergations were all women. But who ever watches this program will be taught.

I don't see a problem with women teaching women. I've even watched some of my mother's Beth Moore tapes. It's was decent I suppose, although not my theological cup of tea.

[Mike Graham]

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

The rest of you can argue but I am not listening.

We are told in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 to test all things; hold fast what is good. Please, test all that everyone says agains God's word. We are all people with our failings, but even the worst can have something worthwhile to say

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

Gathedge: samething I listen to you.

I am honored to be in that category.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

Yes, its a natural order. unfortunately men arent doing their jobs

This is unfortunate that many men are not doing their jobs, but that does not mean that NO men are doing their jobs. We must seek Godly men to fulfill God-set roles. They are out there.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

in these end times.

This is something that really needs to be explored seperately. The end is coming, but I am not sure how near or far it really is.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

For example I have an Ex. Its an ugly word. But I do. He refuses to work or pay child support and left me and my baby to do drugs. So I have to work and supply what we need.

This is very unfortunate. Coming from a broken home, with addict and alcoholic parents, I have some idea, I'd like to think, of the difficulty here, though I have never, obviously, been in your situation as a single mother. However, there ARE Godly men out there: if there were not, this would not be an issue, the women would only be having authority of other women and over children. These Godly men have always been the minority, but are there and should be sought.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

I go to church and take her with me and teach my little girl about God.
When my little girl says, "momie wheres dady" It breaks my heart. But you know what I look her in the face and I say God is our Father and he loves you very much.

If it is of any comfort, and I seriously doubt it is, as I see my niece mature, being raised by solely her mother, it seems like she has almost let go of Daddy.

Continue bringing her up the in the Lord, I will pray for you and her.

However, this does not change God's commands to us.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

So yes I am angry at men. Im angry because they havent done what thier suppose too.

Many women have not, either, how many Proverbs 31 women do you know? All men and all women have not. Neither have any jew or any greeks. Neither have any slaves nor freemen.

We must seek people of high moral charecter to fulfill the positions God has set them in.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

When I started going to my church the men were nice to me and my daughter. I am thankful they are in our lives if it werent for them my little girl would have no father figure other than family and friends.
What I am saying is: I have been forced to fend for myself, make it on my own..well me and God (which he by the way is the best husband).

Thank God for providing His Church!

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

There are women in my church who have shared on sunday morning.
They dont have titles but they share and I guess its teaching.
Now dont get in a wad..

I tend to "get in a wad" when I see poeple worshipping other gods. When I see people gossipping. When I see people murdering. When I see people lying. When I see people ordaining gays. When I see people being immodst... Sin tends to get me in a wad.

That being said, I do not see any problem with women "sharing" Sunday moring, per se. I do not see a problem with women praying, or bringing the word corporately, or singing, or anyhting like that. It is teaching and having authority over men that gets me in a wad.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

Some of these Women are prophets and as we discussed earlier prophets are ok. The bible even says, "your sons and daughters will prophesy." These are the Last Days.

That prophecy was fulfilled at pentacost

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

It just so happens that last night I was watching TBN and weather you like it or not I saw about 5 women preaching but the congergations were all women. But who ever watches this program will be taught.
Weather you like it or not TBN is broadcasted all over the world.

Women teach in many pagan religions, the word-faith cult that is prominent on TBN is among them.

Some legitamately Christian women disobey this command, just as some steal, lie, gossip, and disobey other of God's commands. This does not alter God's commands

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

Get mad if you want call them names it wont change anything.

Names? Like anathema? Like from the Bible, declaring false teachers accursed?

We are not called to change others actions, we are called to try. WJust befcause we cannot change it, that does not mean we have to accept it.

Know that I am praying for you and your situations.

Luke 9
49"Master," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us."
50"Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for you."

Mark 9
Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us

38"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
39"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40for whoever is not against us is for us. 41I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.

Thank you visitor..
For that word.
Gathedge I believe we have met half way, its been a fight but worth it.
Thank you for the prayers and God Bless.
Word of faith is the only thing we dont see eye to eye on.
But, I am done arguing and will call you a friend.
Your, not a bad guy and I dont lump you in a group that is.
Ill tell you what, Im about done with the argument.
By the way, I think we are on the same team.

Hey, visitor Beth Moore is good. The women at my church had a study on one of her teachings. Im not sure if the Men were there too but I did see some of Beths teaching, it was great.
I wouldnt be surpised if some of them got something out of it!

[Luke]

Why do we need to have threads stating who we are and not willing to listen to? Just use the ignore list feature.

Grace & Peace
Luke

[Chrysostom]

We have got a restricted participation forum. Should we move this thread there, and continue the discussion?

[Luke]

You may if you like. Be sure to open, then move, for obvious reasons.

Grace & Peace
Luke

[Chrysostom]

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

Fiveminuteguy: your right women are to be under men I never said they werent.
Yes, its a natural order. unfortunately men arent doing their jobs in these end times. For example I have an Ex. Its an ugly word. But I do. He refuses to work or pay child support and left me and my baby to do drugs. So I have to work and supply what we need.

Yes, but the fact that some men are not doing their jobs does not mean that women should take those jobs when God's Word commands otherwise. For instance, since your ex abandoned you, you are working hard to support your child. That's great. I love that. But, since that man is not being a good husband to you, surely you're not going to go marry a woman, right? In the same way, if there isn't a man being a good leader at a church, we don't put a woman in that place, because God said otherwise. Instead, we go to another church, or get other men to take their place. Likewise, women don't marry other women if men aren't doing their job. Rather, we go find other men. Does that make sense?

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

There are women in my church who have shared on sunday morning.
They dont have titles but they share and I guess its teaching.
Now dont get in a wad..

Well, there is a difference between sharing and holding Church teaching authority. Paul, for instance, supported the right of women to share at the Service. At my church two weeks ago we had a woman come up and invite all the rest of the women to come out for a women's lunch that day. There's nothing wrong with that. Women just aren't supposed to hold positions of church teaching/authority over men.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

It just so happens that last night I was watching TBN and weather you like it or not I saw about 5 women preaching but the congergations were all women. But who ever watches this program will be taught.

But there is a difference between being in church leadership and teaching women. A know a woman who teaches Bible classes for hundreds of women, and I fervently support that. She also fervently supports the Biblical roles for men and women.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

Weather you like it or not TBN is broadcasted all over the world.

Yes

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

Get mad if you want call them names it wont change anything.

Hopefully, open opposition from within the Church will ultimately end TBN.

[Mike Graham]

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

Thank you visitor..
For that word.

Yes, but these TBNers (the couple in question) are against Christ, and most certainly not for us. They are God's and our enemies.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

Gathedge I believe we have met half way, its been a fight but worth it.

Perhaps I did not notice, but I do not remember compromising. I would if logic or the Bible showed need to, but I do not see that happened. I most certainly would have agreed to everything I said in my post all along. I am glad you agree

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

Word of faith is the only thing we dont see eye to eye on.

I doubt that that is the only thing, and it is most certainly one worth discussing.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

But, I am done arguing and will call you a friend.

Remember, it is acceptable and Godly for friends to disagree and debate in love.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

By the way, I think we are on the same team.

Of course we are: the team of God.

Originally Posted by Tara K.0.

I wouldnt be surpised if some of them got something out of it!

Of course, Balaam's ass brought the word of God.

The Athenian pagans had truth that Paul brought up.

Just because they teach something good, if they are disobeying God's commands, it should not be done. If they are not, then the best of luck to them!

[Bryan]

before this continues any further, you need to define who is allowed to debate in this thread and who isn't.

[Brent]

Unregistered users are no longer allowed to post except in Prayer Requests, Advice and Tab Requests....so unless our unregistered friends here will register (which is quick and EASY) then they will no longer be participating.

[Bryan]

seeing as how Tara has chosen to not register, i am now going to close this thread, if somebody wants to take her spot, then i'll reopen it.